Electric Field & Flux, A loop & Charge

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SUMMARY

This discussion focuses on the concepts of electric field and electric flux as they relate to a circular loop and point charges. The participant analyzed the electric flux through a loop due to a positive charge (+Q) and a larger positive charge (+2Q), concluding that the flux is negative when the area vector points left and the electric field from +2Q points right. When considering a negative charge (-2Q), the participant determined that the electric flux would be positive due to the alignment of the area vector and the electric field. The discussion also addresses a student's method of calculating flux using the dot product of the electric field and area vector, prompting further clarification on the accuracy of this approach.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of electric field concepts and vector direction
  • Familiarity with electric flux calculations using the formula Electric Flux = E (dot) Area
  • Knowledge of point charges and their effects on electric fields
  • Basic grasp of vector mathematics, particularly dot products
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  • Study the relationship between electric field lines and electric flux in different charge configurations
  • Learn about Gauss's Law and its application to electric flux
  • Explore the implications of area vector orientation on electric flux calculations
  • Investigate the effects of distance on electric field strength and flux through a surface
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Hey everyone. Having a bit of trouble with a 4-part question. So I thought I'd post here, if someone could check the first 3 parts and perhaps help me with the last part, I'd really appreciate any feedback! Thank you so much! :)

Homework Statement



a) A circular loop is held to the left of a positive point charge (+Q). (part i. asked us to draw an Area vector and the electric field lines). Is the electric flux through the loop due to the charge positive, negative, or zero? Explain.

b) A positive charge with twice the value of the initial charge (so +2Q) is now place to the left of the loop. Both charges are the same distance from the loop and are placed along the axis of the loop. Is the net electric Flux through the loop positive, negative, or zero? Explain your reasoning. Use the same area vector you used in part a.

c) Suppose the new charge located to the left of the loop had been negative instead of positive. How, if at all, would your answer to part b change? Explain.

d) Do you agree or disagree with the following student:

"I can calculate the flux through the loop by finding the electric field at the center of the loop and then taking the dot product of that value with my area vector for the loop"

If you disagree, is the absolute value of the flux through the loop that the student would calculate greater than, less than, or equal to the correct value? Explain

Homework Equations



Electric Flux = E (dot) Area = EA cos (theta)

The Attempt at a Solution



a) I drew the area vector perpendicular to the plane of the circular loop, pointing to the left. And then I said the electric field lines are coming out of +Q and passing through the loop. So E (dot) A would be positive, because Ex and A are both pointing in the same direction ( to the left), and the Ey components all cancel out.

b) I said in this case, there are more Ex lines from the +2Q charge becuase it has a great magnitude, so the net Ex is to the right (because the +2Q charges electric field lines point to the right). Since I had made my area vector point to the left, the directions of the Area vector and the net Ex are in opposite directions, so the net electric flux through the loop is negative.

c) I said that the Ex due to -2Q would have direction to the left, because it is negative, so the net Ex would be to the left. And since my area vector is to the left, and the net electric field Ex is to the left, the electric flux would have been positive not negative had it been -2Q

and finally, for part d), I'm not really understanding what the student is saying. Could someone point me in the right direction? Thank you!
 
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For part a I think the area vector can point either way, it just needs to be perpendicular to the surface?

For part b and c, same as above?

For part d, if the size of the loop were very small compared with the distance between the loop and the charge then you will get a answer close by the method suggested in part d.

As always, I hope any errors with the above are pointed out.
 
Yes, I see how Area vector could be in either direction. If I had chosen it to go to the right, then for part a) my answer would be negative, and part b) positive. ?

Is the reasoning for part c correct? I guess I just want to make sure that that's how it works! Also, thanks for the input with part d!

As always, anyone else's additional input would also help! Thanks!
 

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