Electric field inside a uniformly polarized cylinder

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The discussion focuses on calculating the electric field inside a uniformly polarized cylinder using Gauss' law. The derived electric field is expressed as E = P/(2ε₀), where P is the polarization. A key point of contention arises regarding the direction of the dipole vector d, with confusion about whether it should be defined from the negative to the positive charge or vice versa. Clarifications indicate that the vectors s₊ and s₋ represent distances from different origins to a common point r, emphasizing the importance of correctly identifying these vectors in the context of the problem. The resolution highlights the necessity of accurate vector representation in understanding the electric field distribution.
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Homework Statement


This is problem 4.13 from Griffiths. A long cylinder of radius a carries a uniform polarization P perpendicular to its axis. Find the electric field inside the cylinder.

Homework Equations


##\int \vec{E}\cdot dA = q_{encl}/\varepsilon_0##

The Attempt at a Solution


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We solve the problem by using a positive and negatively polarized cylinder:
Using Gauss' law we find

$$ \vec{E}(2\pi \vec{s} l) = \frac{\rho \pi \vec{s}^2 l}{\varepsilon_0} \\ \Rightarrow \vec{E} = \frac{\rho}{2\varepsilon_0}\vec{s}$$

then
$$\vec{E_+} = \frac{\rho}{2\varepsilon_0}\vec{s_+} \\ \vec{E_-} = -\frac{\rho}{2\varepsilon_0}\vec{s_-}$$

Summing together gives

$$\vec{E} = \frac{\rho}{2\varepsilon_0}\left(\vec{s_+} - \vec{s_-} \right)$$

and since for dipoles we define the vector ##\vec{d}## going from the negative to the positive charge ##\vec{d} = s_+ - s_-##

$$\vec{E} = \frac{\rho \vec{d}}{2\varepsilon_0} = \frac{\vec{P}}{2\varepsilon_0}$$

However, in the solutions manual they claim ##\vec{d}## is going from the negative to the positive axis and that ##\vec{s_+}-\vec{s_-} = -\vec{d}## which I am having a hard time believing as from a simple diagram this seems incorrect.

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I can't draw a diagram, but I think I can describe the picture: Assume the + cylinder is translated to the right by a vector ## \vec{d} ##. (The cross-sectional view involves two circles of radius ## a ## in the x-y plane, with the + circle a distance ## d ## to the right of the - circle). Then, at a given location ## \vec{r} ## where the electric field is being determined, e.g. upward and to the right of the origin, ## \vec{s_-} ## will be the longer vector in reaching the location ## \vec{r} ##. We can write ## \vec{s_-}=\vec{s_+}+\vec{d} ##.
 
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Charles Link said:
I can't draw a diagram, but I think I can describe the picture: Assume the + cylinder is translated to the right by a vector ## \vec{d} ##. (The cross-sectional view involves two circles of radius ## a ## in the x-y plane, with the + circle a distance ## d ## to the right of the - circle). Then, at a given location ## \vec{r} ## where the electric field is being determined, e.g. upward and to the right of the origin, ## \vec{s_-} ## will be the longer vector in reaching the location ## \vec{r} ##. We can write ## \vec{s_-}=\vec{s_+}+\vec{d} ##.

Am I drawing it incorrectly? I still don't find the same result as you.
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Am I drawing it incorrectly? I still don't find the same result as you.
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Your drawing is incorrect. ## d ## is a shift of the origins of two circles, each of radius ## a ##, along the x-axis. A point ## \vec{r} ## is common to both of them. ## \vec{s}_+ ## is a vector from the rightmost origin to ## \vec{r} ##, and ##\vec{s}_- ## is a vector from the leftmost origin to ## \vec{r} ##.
 
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The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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