Electric field inside a uniformly polarized cylinder

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This discussion revolves around a problem from Griffiths concerning the electric field inside a uniformly polarized cylinder. The original poster attempts to apply Gauss' law to find the electric field resulting from the polarization, but encounters a discrepancy with the solutions manual regarding the vector definitions involved in the calculation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Gauss' law and the interpretation of the vectors representing the positions of charges in the polarized cylinder. There is a focus on the relationship between the vectors ##\vec{s_+}## and ##\vec{s_-}##, and how they relate to the vector ##\vec{d}##.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the vector relationships. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definitions of the vectors involved, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the original poster's diagram or reasoning.

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Participants note the challenge of visualizing the problem without diagrams, which may contribute to misunderstandings about the vector relationships. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the solution manual's claims, indicating a potential gap in understanding the setup of the problem.

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Homework Statement


This is problem 4.13 from Griffiths. A long cylinder of radius a carries a uniform polarization P perpendicular to its axis. Find the electric field inside the cylinder.

Homework Equations


##\int \vec{E}\cdot dA = q_{encl}/\varepsilon_0##

The Attempt at a Solution


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We solve the problem by using a positive and negatively polarized cylinder:
Using Gauss' law we find

$$ \vec{E}(2\pi \vec{s} l) = \frac{\rho \pi \vec{s}^2 l}{\varepsilon_0} \\ \Rightarrow \vec{E} = \frac{\rho}{2\varepsilon_0}\vec{s}$$

then
$$\vec{E_+} = \frac{\rho}{2\varepsilon_0}\vec{s_+} \\ \vec{E_-} = -\frac{\rho}{2\varepsilon_0}\vec{s_-}$$

Summing together gives

$$\vec{E} = \frac{\rho}{2\varepsilon_0}\left(\vec{s_+} - \vec{s_-} \right)$$

and since for dipoles we define the vector ##\vec{d}## going from the negative to the positive charge ##\vec{d} = s_+ - s_-##

$$\vec{E} = \frac{\rho \vec{d}}{2\varepsilon_0} = \frac{\vec{P}}{2\varepsilon_0}$$

However, in the solutions manual they claim ##\vec{d}## is going from the negative to the positive axis and that ##\vec{s_+}-\vec{s_-} = -\vec{d}## which I am having a hard time believing as from a simple diagram this seems incorrect.

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I can't draw a diagram, but I think I can describe the picture: Assume the + cylinder is translated to the right by a vector ## \vec{d} ##. (The cross-sectional view involves two circles of radius ## a ## in the x-y plane, with the + circle a distance ## d ## to the right of the - circle). Then, at a given location ## \vec{r} ## where the electric field is being determined, e.g. upward and to the right of the origin, ## \vec{s_-} ## will be the longer vector in reaching the location ## \vec{r} ##. We can write ## \vec{s_-}=\vec{s_+}+\vec{d} ##.
 
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Charles Link said:
I can't draw a diagram, but I think I can describe the picture: Assume the + cylinder is translated to the right by a vector ## \vec{d} ##. (The cross-sectional view involves two circles of radius ## a ## in the x-y plane, with the + circle a distance ## d ## to the right of the - circle). Then, at a given location ## \vec{r} ## where the electric field is being determined, e.g. upward and to the right of the origin, ## \vec{s_-} ## will be the longer vector in reaching the location ## \vec{r} ##. We can write ## \vec{s_-}=\vec{s_+}+\vec{d} ##.

Am I drawing it incorrectly? I still don't find the same result as you.
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Am I drawing it incorrectly? I still don't find the same result as you.
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Your drawing is incorrect. ## d ## is a shift of the origins of two circles, each of radius ## a ##, along the x-axis. A point ## \vec{r} ## is common to both of them. ## \vec{s}_+ ## is a vector from the rightmost origin to ## \vec{r} ##, and ##\vec{s}_- ## is a vector from the leftmost origin to ## \vec{r} ##.
 
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