Electric Field over a charged cylinder using only Coulomb's Law

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The discussion focuses on calculating the electric field along the central axis of a uniformly charged cylinder using Coulomb's Law. The initial setup involves a triple integral that leads to a complex expression with logarithmic terms. A key point of confusion arises regarding the integration of the term involving the absolute value, particularly when evaluating at the point where z' equals zero. The participants emphasize the importance of correctly handling the absolute value in the integrand to ensure accurate results. Ultimately, the integration process proves more complicated than initially anticipated, highlighting the challenges in deriving the electric field from first principles.
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Homework Statement



What is the electric field at a point on the central axis of a solid, uniformly charged cylinder of radis R and length h?

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Well, I've set up the triple integral and have gotten to this point:

\bar{E}_{z}=\frac{2\pi\rho}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\int^{h/2}_{-h/2}[1-\frac{z'-z}{\sqrt{(z'-z)^{2}+R^{2}}}]dz , z' is the location of the test point

When I integrate this I get a constant term and a mess of logarithms. I know that the field should be 0 when z' = 0, but it doesn't check out. What's wrong?
 
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PeteyCoco said:
Well, I've set up the triple integral and have gotten to this point:

\bar{E}_{z}=\frac{2\pi\rho}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\int^{h/2}_{-h/2}[1-\frac{z'-z}{\sqrt{(z'-z)^{2}+R^{2}}}]dz

Re-evaluate how you got the 1 inside the brackets in the expression above. I suspect that you got this from assuming that ##\frac{z'-z}{\sqrt{(z'-z)^2}} = 1##. But, recall that ##\sqrt{x^2} = |x|##.
 
Alright. Now that I've changed that term, it vanishes when integrated, but the second term in the integrand still turns into

\frac{1}{2}ln| (z'-z) + \sqrt{(z'-z)^{2}+R^{2}} |^{h/2}_{-h/2}

Which, as far as I can tell, can't be reduced to 0 when z' = 0
 
Nevermind, integrating this absolute value function is a bit more work than I thought it was.
 
Also, I don't see how you are getting a logarithm expression in the result of the integration.
 
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