Finding local min, max, and saddle points in multivariable calculus

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding local maximum and minimum values and saddle points for the function f(x,y) = 1 + 2xy - x^2 - y^2, a topic within multivariable calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the Second Derivative Test and its inconclusiveness. There are attempts to identify critical points along the line where y = x. Some participants also explore alternative representations of the function to gain insights into its behavior.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various attempts to analyze the function, with some participants suggesting different approaches to finding local extrema. There is acknowledgment of the inconclusive results from the Second Derivative Test, and some participants express curiosity about alternative methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the textbook provides a specific answer regarding local maximum values, which raises questions about the validity of the Second Derivative Test in this context. There is also mention of rewriting the function to facilitate analysis.

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Homework Statement



Find the local maximum and minimum values and saddle point(s) of the function.

f(x,y) = 1 + 2xy - x^2 - y^2

Homework Equations



The Second Derivative Test: let D = D(a,b) = fxx(a,b)*fyy(a,b) - [fxy(a,b)]^2
if D > 0 and fxx(a,b) > 0, then f(a,b) is a local minimum
if D > 0 and fxx(a,b) < 0, then f(a,b) is a local maximum
if D < 0 then f(a,b) is a saddle point
if D = 0 then the test is inconclusive

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to use the Second Derivative Test to find the local mins, maxes, and saddle points but it's inconclusive, and I don't know how else to find them. My textbook says the answer is "f has a local maximum value of 1 at all points of the form (x, x)"

This is my work for the Second Derivative Test:

fx = 2y - 2x = 0 --> 2y = 2x --> y = x

fy = 2x - 2y = 0 --> 2x - 2(x) = 0 --> 0 = 0

so i guess there are critical points at every value where y = x... which matches the textbook's answer.
and then:

fxx = -2

fyy = -2

fxy = 2

so D = fxx * fyy - (fxy)^2 = (-2)*(-2) - 2^2 = 4 - 4 = 0 so the test is inconclusive

Is there a different way to find the local mins, maxes, and saddle points?
 
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got the answer, for anyone else who looks this up.

Rewriting the function as f(x, y) = (x - y)^2 + 1,
we see that the minimum value must be 1 (since 0 is the smallest value of a square),
and this is attained whenever y = x (i.e., points of the form (x, x)).
 
woodenbox said:

Homework Statement



Find the local maximum and minimum values and saddle point(s) of the function.

f(x,y) = 1 + 2xy - x^2 - y^2

Homework Equations



The Second Derivative Test: let D = D(a,b) = fxx(a,b)*fyy(a,b) - [fxy(a,b)]^2
if D > 0 and fxx(a,b) > 0, then f(a,b) is a local minimum
if D > 0 and fxx(a,b) < 0, then f(a,b) is a local maximum
if D < 0 then f(a,b) is a saddle point
if D = 0 then the test is inconclusive

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to use the Second Derivative Test to find the local mins, maxes, and saddle points but it's inconclusive, and I don't know how else to find them. My textbook says the answer is "f has a local maximum value of 1 at all points of the form (x, x)"

This is my work for the Second Derivative Test:

fx = 2y - 2x = 0 --> 2y = 2x --> y = x

fy = 2x - 2y = 0 --> 2x - 2(x) = 0 --> 0 = 0
fx = 2y - 2x
fx = 0 ==> y = x

fy = 2x - 2y
fy = 0 ==> x = y

fx and fy are both zero along the line y = x.
woodenbox said:
so i guess there are critical points at every value where y = x... which matches the textbook's answer.
and then:

fxx = -2

fyy = -2

fxy = 2

so D = fxx * fyy - (fxy)^2 = (-2)*(-2) - 2^2 = 4 - 4 = 0 so the test is inconclusive

Is there a different way to find the local mins, maxes, and saddle points?

The function can be written as f(x, y) = 1 - (x2 - 2xy + y2), and the right side can be written in factored form, which should give you some ideas for finding the global maxima and minima.
 
that does make a lot of sense... i never thought to take a more direct approach. thank you for your help!
 

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