Fluid Dynamics: Static pressure in compressible Liquids

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The discussion focuses on deriving the relationship between static pressure (P) and depth (y) in compressible liquids, specifically using the surface density (ρ₀) and compressibility (k) of the liquid. The derived equation is P = (-1/k) ln(1 - kρ₀gy), which is confirmed as correct despite concerns about potential undefined values. The practical application of this equation indicates that extreme values of y, which could lead to undefined results, are unlikely to occur in real scenarios. The discussion emphasizes that while k may vary with pressure, the initial equation serves as a reliable approximation across a significant range of pressures.

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Homework Statement


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"Derive a relation between the static pressure P at a point and its depth y from the free surface of the liquid. Given the surface density of liquid is ρο, and compressibility of the liquid is k."

Homework Equations



##ρ(P) = ρ_οe^{kP}##
##dP = ρg dy##

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I have already found that:
##ρ(P) = ρ_οe^{kP}##

Then, from the relation:
##dP = ρg dy##

and using ##ρ(P) = ρ_οe^{kP}##, we get:

##e^{-kP} dP = ρ_ο g dy##

Integrating L.H.S. from 0 to P and R.H.S. from 0 to y, we get:

$$P = \frac {-1}{k} \ln(1 - kρ_ο gy)$$

Are my limits correct? Is the answer correct? I ask this because the answer looks like it could easily become undefined (if ##kρ_ο gy## became greater than 1). If it is wrong, then why? If it is correct, then how does it not become undefined?
 
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The answer is correct. In practice, you would never encounter values of y huge enough for the expression to become undefined. Imagine how much pressure it would take to compress liquid water to half its volume (say). Also, in reality, k varies gradually with P, but the starting equation is a good approximation over a substantial range of pressures.

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
The answer is correct. In practice, you would never encounter values of y huge enough for the expression to become undefined. Imagine how much pressure it would take to compress liquid water to half its volume (say). Also, in reality, k varies gradually with P, but the starting equation is a good approximation over a substantial range of pressures.

Chet
Thank you very much! :)
 

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