Help design torque, power needed

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The discussion revolves around the design of a transmission system for an off-road vehicle, focusing on calculating the torque and power needed to accelerate from rest to a speed of 35 mph (15.64 m/s) while overcoming frictional forces. Participants explore the relationships between force, power, and torque in this context.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the forces acting on the vehicle, including rolling resistance and aerodynamic drag, leading to a total force of 815.21 N.
  • Another participant explains the relationship between power, force, and velocity, suggesting that power can be computed using the identified force and the vehicle's speed.
  • Questions arise regarding how to calculate the power and torque needed when accelerating from rest to 35 mph, indicating a need for further clarification on these calculations.
  • Several participants mention the importance of engine RPM and gear ratios in determining transmission torque from the calculated power.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about the necessity of knowing average torque to calculate the rate of acceleration from rest to the target speed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationships between force, power, and torque, but there is no consensus on the specific calculations needed for acceleration from rest, indicating ongoing uncertainty and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the calculations required for transitioning from rest to the desired speed, particularly regarding average torque and its dependence on engine RPM and gear ratios.

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I am designing a transmission for my class but i have a couple of concepts i kinda confused, i have a 550lbs load, and i want to move 35mph=15.64m/s at a constant speed, assuming the drag coefficient to be Cd=.55 and the coefficient of rolling resistance to be Crr=.3 (tires on sand), i found out the two frictional forces going against a rigid body(my off road car) which are the sum of the Rolling resistance force and the force of aerodynamic drag which turned our to be F=815.21 N, i want to like to learn how to find the torque necessary to move it and the power required, do we keep power constant?, and does the power depend on torque or vice versa? Thanks in advance
here are the eqn used

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Note that:

Work = Force X Distance

Power = Work / Time = Force X Distance / Time

Velocity = Distance / Time

Thus,

Power = Force X Velocity

You can compute your power from the 815 N force you figured and your 35 mph velocity.

Then the power and torque are related as:

Power = Torque X Angular velocity

And you can find the angular velocity from linear velocity and gear ratios.
 
thank you that cleared up a lot, but how do you calculate the power and torque needed when the car is at rest to 35 mph?
 
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Compute Power = Force X Velocity from your numbers above.

Then look at your engine rpm at 35 mph. Use the transmission gear ratio to find the transmission rpm. Using this power and rpm, figure the transmission torque.
 
edgepflow said:
Compute Power = Force X Velocity from your numbers above.

Then look at your engine rpm at 35 mph. Use the transmission gear ratio to find the transmission rpm. Using this power and rpm, figure the transmission torque.

To calculate the rate of acceleration don't we need to know the average torque? That is from rest (to get the load moving) through the engines rpm range to 35 mph. Which would be calculated as a function F(x) torque (or maybe F(x) power)?

Willy
 
To calculate the rate of acceleration don't we need to know the average torque? That is from rest (to get the load moving) through the engines rpm range to 35 mph. Which would be calculated as a function F(x) torque (or maybe F(x) power)?

Willy
 

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