How Do I Solve These Complex Newton's Laws Problems?

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The discussion revolves around two problems related to Newton's Laws and gravitational acceleration. The first problem involves calculating the acceleration due to gravity for satellites in orbit, while the second concerns the forces acting on a woman in a moving elevator.

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  • The original poster expresses confusion about both problems, questioning the appropriate mass to use in calculations and the lack of given acceleration in the elevator scenario. They mention using the equation for normal force but are unsure about its application.
  • Some participants suggest using the law of universal gravitation for the first problem, noting the need to consider the distance from the center of the Earth.
  • In the second problem, there are discussions about the forces acting on the woman and how to relate them to the scale reading, with emphasis on the role of cable tension.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problems, offering insights into the equations and concepts involved. Some guidance has been provided regarding the application of Newton's laws and gravitational equations, but no consensus has been reached on the solutions.

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The original poster mentions a time constraint, as the homework is due in a few hours, which adds urgency to the discussion. There is also a note about the potential confusion regarding the total mass versus the woman's mass in the elevator problem.

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can someone please help me with these problems? I'm completely lost.

1. Synchronous communications satellites are placed in a circular orbit that is 2.32 x 107 m above the surface of the earth. What is the magnitude of the acceleration due to gravity at this distance?

2. A woman stands on a scale in a moving elevator. Her mass is 62.2 kg, and the combined mass of the elevator and scale is an additional 836 kg. Starting from rest, the elevator accelerates upward. During the acceleration, the hoisting cable applies a force of 9110 N. What does the scale read during the acceleration?

for number 2:
i think i use the equation Fn=mg+ma. for m do i use the total mass or just the woman's mass? g is 9.8 right? but i don't know what the accerlataion is cause the problem doesn't say.

for number 1:
i tried using the law of universal gravitation but that was wrong. i don't know how to find the acceleration with the information given. i know the mass of Earth and the radius. but i don't know how to use the info.

the homework is due at 11 pm which is in 5 hours. and i don't have any idea how to solve it. any help would be great. thanks
 
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For #2:
The Free-Body-Diagram of an object
includes Forces applied TO the object.
The "Scale Reading" is the Force applied
by the scale to the object on TOP of the scale.
(you've seen these things, haven't you?)
. . . Use the Equation: Sum F_onA = ma_A !
which is Fn - mg = ma , or Fn = mg + ma .
But if you start at the *beginning*,
then it's obvious which mass you should use.
The acceleration of the elevator+scales+woman
is caused by the cable Tension (Sum F = ma).

For #1 you use universal gravitation GMm/r^2 ,
but r is the distance center-of-mass to c.o.m.

Sorry I didn't see your post until just now.
 
chipsdeluxe said:
can someone please help me with these problems? I'm completely lost.

1. Synchronous communications satellites are placed in a circular orbit that is 2.32 x 107 m above the surface of the earth. What is the magnitude of the acceleration due to gravity at this distance?

2. A woman stands on a scale in a moving elevator. Her mass is 62.2 kg, and the combined mass of the elevator and scale is an additional 836 kg. Starting from rest, the elevator accelerates upward. During the acceleration, the hoisting cable applies a force of 9110 N. What does the scale read during the acceleration?

for number 2:
i think i use the equation Fn=mg+ma. for m do i use the total mass or just the woman's mass? g is 9.8 right? but i don't know what the accerlataion is cause the problem doesn't say.

for number 1:
i tried using the law of universal gravitation but that was wrong. i don't know how to find the acceleration with the information given. i know the mass of Earth and the radius. but i don't know how to use the info.
1. You are correct to use Newton's law of gravitation:

a = \frac{GM_e}{r^2}

where r is the distance from the satellite to the centre of the earth. You have to add the Earth's radius to the distance above the surface.

2. The cable provides the force to balance the weight of the elevator and woman plus the acceleration. From the cable force, you can find a:

F = m(g+a)
a = \frac{F}{m} - g

From that you should be able to determine the scale reading (which depends only on the woman's weight and acceleration).

AM
 
thanks for the help guys
 

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