How Do You Calculate Ionization Energies for Different Shells in X-ray Spectra?

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The discussion revolves around calculating ionization energies for different electron shells (L, M, N) in the context of X-ray spectra, specifically for tungsten. The original poster provides specific wavelengths for the K series and the known K-shell ionization energy, seeking to determine the energies for the other shells based on their calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the ionization energy for the N shell using the same method as for the L and M shells but encounters discrepancies in the expected results. Some participants question the accuracy of the calculations and the notation used, while others suggest considering the significant figures in the constants used for calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the calculations and the potential reasons for the discrepancies in the results. There is a recognition of the importance of significant figures in the calculations, and one participant reports achieving a correct answer after adjusting the precision of their constants. However, there is no explicit consensus on the initial errors or assumptions leading to the incorrect results.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the use of significant figures in calculations, particularly when dealing with values of similar magnitude, which may affect the precision of the final results. The original poster notes that previous experiences with the online program did not require such precision, raising questions about the consistency of the grading criteria.

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Homework Statement


The K series of the discrete x-ray spectrum of tungsten contains wavelengths of 0.018 5 nm, 0.020 9 nm, and 0.021 5 nm. The K-shell ionization energy is 69.5 keV.
(a) Determine the ionization energies of the L, M, and N shells.

Homework Equations


E=\frac{hc}{\lambda}<br /> \\E_{n}=-\frac{(13.6\textrm{ eV})Z_\textrm{eff}^2}{n^2}<br /> \\1\textrm{ eV}=1.6\textrm{E-19 J}

The Attempt at a Solution


I correctly determined the ionization energies for the L and M subshells (11.7 and 10.0 keV respectively. However, I am calculating the value for the N subshell in the exact same way, but my homework tells me the answer is incorrect.

Here are my calculations for the L shell...
\lambda of L =.0215E-9 m
E_\textrm{KL}=\frac{(6.63\textrm{E-34})(3\textrm{E8})}{.0215\textrm{E-9}}=9.25\textrm{E-15 J}=57800\textrm{ eV}=57.8\textrm{ keV}\\<br /> E_\textrm{L}=69.5-57.8=11.7\textrm{ keV}
I did the same calculations to find the ionization energy for subshell M of 10.0 keV. Both of these answers were correct.

For N, I'm doing the exact same thing again and winding up with what my online homework says to be the wrong answer. I do not know the correct answer.

My work for N...
E_\textrm{KN}=\frac{(6.63\textrm{E-34})(3\textrm{E8})}{.0185\textrm{E-9}}=1.08\textrm{E-14 J}=672800\textrm{ eV}=67.2\textrm{ keV}\\<br /> E_\textrm{N}=69.5-67.2=2.3\textrm{ keV}
It says my answer is close, but incorrect. I also tried 2.4 in case of a round off error, but that was also wrong. I'm not sure what's up.

Thanks so much!
 
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NewSoul said:
E_\textrm{N}=\frac{(6.63\textrm{E-34})(3\textrm{E8})}{.0185\textrm{E-9}}=1.08\textrm{E-14 J}=672800\textrm{ eV}=67.2\textrm{ keV}
Wouldn't 67.3 be closer? That would give 2.2 as the answer.
Btw, is your notation right? Compared with what I would have expected, you seem to have interchanged EKL with EL and EKN with EN.
 
haruspex said:
Wouldn't 67.3 be closer? That would give 2.2 as the answer.
Btw, is your notation right? Compared with what I would have expected, you seem to have interchanged EKL with EL and EKN with EN.

Whoops, I do have those two switched!

2.2 didn't work either. I honestly have no idea what the problem is. Nothing obvious, eh?
 
Use more significant digits in the constants h, c, e: c=2.998 E8, h=6.628 E-34, 1eV=1.602 E-19 J. Do not round the results for the photon energies. Round off at the end.

ehild
 
ehild said:
Use more significant digits in the constants h, c, e: c=2.998 E8, h=6.628 E-34, 1eV=1.602 E-19 J. Do not round the results for the photon energies. Round off at the end.

ehild

Thanks. To be safe, I went to 9 significant figures and ended up with the apparently correct answer of 2.5 keV. I just don't understand why it wouldn't accept my other answer. We've been using this online program for a while now and it has always been fine when I don't use that many significant figures for the constants.
 
NewSoul said:
Thanks. To be safe, I went to 9 significant figures and ended up with the apparently correct answer of 2.5 keV. I just don't understand why it wouldn't accept my other answer. We've been using this online program for a while now and it has always been fine when I don't use that many significant figures for the constants.
The problem here is that in the working you had to take the difference of two numbers of similar magnitude. That resulted in one less (in fact, 1.5 less) significant figure of precision than you started with.
 

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