Internal Energy of 1 mole of Ideal Gas

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The discussion centers on calculating the total energy of 1 mole of an ideal gas in a closed cylinder, given the average kinetic energy of 0.1 eV per molecule. Participants clarify that while the internal energy (U) cannot be negative, it is derived from the sum of the kinetic energies of all molecules, requiring multiplication by Avogadro's number for total energy. The initial reasoning about no work being done due to constant conditions is acknowledged, but the focus is on determining the total energy rather than changes in energy. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the First Law of Thermodynamics in relation to internal energy. Overall, the total energy of the gas must be calculated based on the positive kinetic energy of all molecules.
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Homework Statement


One litre cylinder contains 1 mole of the ideal gas molecules having the average kinetic energy of 0.1eV. What is the total energy of this gas?

Homework Equations


W = K + U

The Attempt at a Solution


I figured because the cylinder is closed, no stated temperature change, or volume/pressure change, there is no work? So U=-K
K = 0.1eV = 1.6 x10-20J.
Therefore, U = -1.6x10-20 J.

Is this line of thinking correct? Can it really be that simple..
 
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You are given the average kinetic energy of a single molecule. You are asked for the total energy of all of the molecules in the cylinder.
 
Symara Cyr said:

Homework Statement


One litre cylinder contains 1 mole of the ideal gas molecules having the average kinetic energy of 0.1eV. What is the total energy of this gas?

Homework Equations


W = K + U

Is that supposed to be ##W=\Delta K +\Delta U##? In other words work equals change in energy?

Regardless, your reasoning is correct in that there is no work done and no change in energy, temperature, volume or pressure. But the question is not asking about how much the energy changes. It's asking what the energy is.

The energy of an ideal gas is the sum of the kinetic energies of the gas molecules.
 
Mister T said:
Is that supposed to be ##W=\Delta K +\Delta U##? In other words work equals change in energy?

Regardless, your reasoning is correct in that there is no work done and no change in energy, temperature, volume or pressure. But the question is not asking about how much the energy changes. It's asking what the energy is.

The energy of an ideal gas is the sum of the kinetic energies of the gas molecules.

So, U = -1.6x10-20 J is for a single molecule. I adjust for the rest of the molecules by multiplying my number by Avogadro's number?

and yes, that's the equation I actually meant. My apologies!
 
For an ideal gas, the internal energy is equal to the sum of the kinetic energies of all the molecules comprising the gas. Since kinetic energy is positive definite, the internal energy cannot be negative.

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Symara Cyr said:
So, U = -1.6x10-20 J is for a single molecule. I adjust for the rest of the molecules by multiplying my number by Avogadro's number?

Yes. it's a simple exercise, not really a problem.

and yes, that's the equation I actually meant. My apologies!

You should be aware that the relation ##W=\Delta K + \Delta U## is valid only for particle-like objects, that is, objects that cannot possesses internal energy.

The more general relation is the First Law of Thermodynamics. In thermodynamics you typically treat a collection of particles, a gas for example, which does possesses internal energy.
 
Awesome, okay. Thank you everyone so much!
 
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