Is H. Callen's Thermodynamics Worth Reading for Beginners?

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The discussion revolves around the suitability of H. Callen's "Thermodynamics and an Introduction to Thermostatics" for beginners in thermodynamics. Participants share their experiences and opinions on the book, suggesting complementary readings and debating its approach and content.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants recommend Callen's book for its mathematical formalism and its ability to connect physical reality with mathematics.
  • One participant suggests that while Callen's book is valuable, it should be complemented with other texts like "Concepts in Thermal Physics" by Blundell and "Understanding Thermodynamics" by Van Ness for a more conceptual understanding.
  • Another participant highlights the historical significance of Callen's work, referencing E.T. Jaynes' endorsement of its recognition of Gibbs' contributions.
  • Conversely, some participants argue against starting with Callen, criticizing its focus on mathematical formalism and claiming it may misrepresent concepts like enthalpy.
  • One participant suggests using Cengel's book for a more quantitative approach to thermodynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express mixed views on the appropriateness of Callen's book for beginners. While some advocate for its use, others strongly oppose it, indicating a lack of consensus on its suitability.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific criticisms of Callen's treatment of enthalpy and its mathematical focus, suggesting that these points may require further exploration or clarification.

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I wanted to do some reading on thermodynamics and some people suggested the book "Thermodynamics and an Introduction to Thermostatics by H. Callen".

Has anyone here read the book? What do you make of it? Do you have any suggestions?
 
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Hi! I've read the first seven chapters of Callen's great book and I definitely recommend it. It focus the mathematical formalism and helps you relate the physical reality with the mathematical arsenal in a way that I never saw. However, I suggest you read other books to complement Callen's. These are my suggestions:
'Concepts in Thermal Physics' - Stephen and Katherine Blundell -- a great book, full of original exercises and great explanations.
'Thermodynamics' - Enrico Fermi -- a classic; a small but worthwhile book.
'Understanding Thermodynamics' - H.C.Van Ness -- a book that you must read before anything else; according to the author, it is a book that explains thermodynamics in a conceptual way without using advanced mathematics; a small book too.
'Classical Thermodynamics' - A.B.Pippard -- a good book to read when you already know about the matter; it has good examples.

Hope you find this useful.
 
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Thank you very much miguelcf! Much appreciated!
 
Other than a great reply by miguelcf, I would add that Callen is quite a historic book. I own it, haven't started to work through it, but for now I trust E.T. Jaynes' word in his 1996 paper on Gibbs paradox: "[The textbook] of Callen (1960) is almost the only one that recognizes the more complete and fundamental nature of Gibbs' work."
 
I think Callen is the worst place to start with thermodynamics, because of 'Its focus on the mathematical formalism'. It suffers from mathematism. For example it introduces the (false) idea that enthalpy is a Legendre Transform of the internal energy: see elsewhere in this forum. If you want anything quantitative (=calculated) use Cengel. If you like science fiction try Callen.
 
Thanks all. There has been a change of plans and I shan't be doing Thermodynamics or Stat mech. any time soon. Again, thanks anyway.
 

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