Magnetic Forces on objects in nonuniform fields

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic force experienced by an iron disk placed in the vicinity of a current-carrying ring. The setup involves a current ring of radius R and a constant current I, with the disk having a radius r and thickness t, positioned at a distance x from the center of the ring.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to determine the force on the disk using the expression F = ∇(m · B) and seeks clarification on how to approach the problem without needing a complete solution. Some participants question the setup, particularly the positioning of the disk relative to the ring and the meaning of the attraction described.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the setup and its implications, with some providing insights into the behavior of magnetic forces in non-uniform fields. There is a focus on clarifying the relationship between the disk and the ring, particularly regarding the nature of the attraction and the disk's movement in relation to the ring.

Contextual Notes

There is some ambiguity regarding the configuration of the disk in relation to the ring, particularly whether it is coaxial or coplanar, and how this affects the interpretation of the forces involved. Participants are also considering the implications of magnetic dipole behavior in non-uniform fields.

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I have this question which I need to solve . But I am unable to.

Suppose I have a current ring of radius R and current I (constant).

at a distance x from the centre of the ring, I have a iron disk (radius r and thickness t) present in the plane of the ring. This disk will be attracted to the ring due to magnetisation.

How do I calculate the force it experiences due to the field? Should I use F = ∇(m · B)??

I just want a way to solve it not the complete solution.. Any help is appreciated.
 
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Astronaut said:
at a distance x from the centre of the ring, I have a iron disk (radius r and thickness t) present in the plane of the ring.
Not sure what set up this describes. I would expect it to be that the iron disk is parallel to the plane of the ring, and coaxial with the ring. You seem to be saying it is coplanar with the ring with the two centres distance x apart, but if so I am not sure what it means to say the disk is attracted "to the ring".
 
haruspex said:
Not sure what set up this describes. I would expect it to be that the iron disk is parallel to the plane of the ring, and coaxial with the ring. You seem to be saying it is coplanar with the ring with the two centres distance x apart, but if so I am not sure what it means to say the disk is attracted "to the ring".

Yes the disk is coplanar to the ring. I read that in non uniform fields, magnetic forces are acted on a magnetic dipole. Won't the same happen here?
 
Astronaut said:
Yes the disk is coplanar to the ring. I read that in non uniform fields, magnetic forces are acted on a magnetic dipole. Won't the same happen here?
I'm sure there will be forces, but I do not know what "to" the ring means here. If it moves towards one part of the ring it is moving away from another part. Do you mean towards the centre of the ring?
 

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