Noise Shielding by Rear-Mounted Engines on Aircraft

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the noise shielding effects provided by the fuselage when aircraft engines are mounted at the rear, specifically in the context of the SAX 40 concept aircraft. Participants explore the implications of engine placement on cabin noise versus external noise pollution, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of aircraft design.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the mechanisms by which rear-mounted engines reduce noise, particularly in relation to the SAX 40.
  • Others argue that the SAX 40 is not designed for ultra-quiet cabin conditions but rather for minimizing noise to ground observers.
  • One participant suggests that the design of the engines and their positioning above the aircraft body contribute to noise reduction.
  • Another participant notes that noise levels vary across different parts of the aircraft depending on engine location.
  • Some participants emphasize that the design of the SAX 40 prioritizes external noise pollution over cabin noise considerations.
  • A later reply discusses the behavior of sound waves emitted from the engines, suggesting that they travel upwards more freely than downwards.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of rear-mounted engines in reducing cabin noise versus external noise. There is no consensus on the overall impact of engine placement on noise levels.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the SAX 40 as a concept aircraft, which may limit the applicability of their arguments to real-world designs. The discussion includes assumptions about the design intentions behind the SAX 40 and the comparative analysis of engine placements.

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How is the noise sheilding provided by the fuselage when the engines are mounted at the rear end of the aircraft ? for example-SAX 40
 
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That plane isn't designed to make the cabin an ultra-quiet design, it is designed to make the plane quiet to an observer on the ground.
 
boneh3ad said:
That plane isn't designed to make the cabin an ultra-quiet design, it is designed to make the plane quiet to an observer on the ground.

may be yes, but I need an explanation of how the noise is reduced when the engines are at the rear end
 
You need an explanation? Is this schoolwork?

Have you considered the difference between wing mounted engines and tail mounted? Have you looked up the noise associated with both?
 
Being at the rear end isn't going to really do anything when it comes to noise. It has more to do with the design of the engines and the fact that they are largely above the body of the plane, so the body itself will block out some of the noise. I suggest googling the SAX-40 to learn more about the specifics. Google is your friend.
 
The location of the engines does play a part in how much noise there is.

Noise levels at different parts of the aircraft will vary depending on engine location.
 
jarednjames said:
The location of the engines does play a part in how much noise there is.

Noise levels at different parts of the aircraft will vary depending on engine location.

But again, the SAX-40 is not designed with cabin noise in mind, it is designed with external noise pollution in mind. Rear engines have repercussions when it comes to cabin noise, so I think it is fairly plain to see that the folks at MIT and Cambridge who came up with the SAX-40 didn't have cabin noise in mind when designing it. The rear, above-the-body position has a marked advantage when it comes to ground noise.

It has a lot of the same design concepts as those behind the Boeing X-48, only it takes thing a step further by integrating said engines into the fuselage a la the B-2.
 
Blimey, thought the SAX-40 was a real aircraft (had an image of an old liner along the lines of the 717). Just Googled it and it's a concept aircraft.

Yeah, in the case of this design, if you imagine the sound waves coming off the engines they can travel upwards freely but not so well downwards. That's about as simply as it can be put.
 

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