Plots of B•dl as a function of position along the closed path

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The discussion focuses on determining the plot of B•dl along a closed triangular path around two infinitely long current-carrying wires. Participants emphasize the application of Ampère's law, which relates the closed path integral of B•dl to the enclosed current. The right-hand rule (RHR) is used to ascertain the direction of B in relation to the path segments, which affects whether B•dl is positive or negative. Clarification is provided that the direction of the path does not align with the direction of the current, as the current flows into the page while the path direction is indicated by arrows. Understanding these relationships is crucial for accurately plotting B•dl along the specified path.
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Homework Statement



Two infinitely long current carrying wires run into the page as indicated. Consider a closed triangular path that runs from point 1 to point 2 to point 3 and back to point 1 as shown.
Which of the following plots best shows B•dl as a function of position along the closed path?

J7b5L.png



http://i.imgur.com/J7b5L.png

Homework Equations




miu*I= B•dl

The Attempt at a Solution



I used RHR.I am confused about when should it is positive and when is negative.
 
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syhpui2 said:
I used RHR.I am confused about when should it is positive and when is negative.

Ampère's law states that:

\oint _P \vec B \cdot \vec{dl} = \mu_0 I_{enc}
The left is a closed path integral. In other words, assuming that the path is closed, the total area under the curve of \vec B \cdot \vec{dl} is proportional to the current enclosed within the path. How much current is enclosed within the path? That should rule out one of the choices right there.

Pick a path component and note the direction of \vec{dl} (the corresponding arrow in the figure will show you the direction of \vec{dl}). Use the right hand rule to determine the direction of \vec B. For that path, is the direction of \vec B in the same general direction of \vec{dl} (making \vec B \cdot \vec{dl} positive)? Or are they generally in the opposite direction (making \vec B \cdot \vec{dl} negative)? As a sanity check, repeat for the other path components.
 
collinsmark said:
Ampère's law states that:

\oint _P \vec B \cdot \vec{dl} = \mu_0 I_{enc}
The left is a closed path integral. In other words, assuming that the path is closed, the total area under the curve of \vec B \cdot \vec{dl} is proportional to the current enclosed within the path. How much current is enclosed within the path? That should rule out one of the choices right there.

Pick a path component and note the direction of \vec{dl} (the corresponding arrow in the figure will show you the direction of \vec{dl}). Use the right hand rule to determine the direction of \vec B. For that path, is the direction of \vec B in the same general direction of \vec{dl} (making \vec B \cdot \vec{dl} positive)? Or are they generally in the opposite direction (making \vec B \cdot \vec{dl} negative)? As a sanity check, repeat for the other path components.

So the direction of path is same as direction of current?
Thanks!
 
syhpui2 said:
So the direction of path is same as direction of current?
Thanks!
Um no. :rolleyes: The direction of the current is into the board/paper, as indicated by the 'x's on the wires. The direction of \vec{dl} of each path segment is shown by the arrows on each path segment. (All of that is given to you in the problem statement.) You can determine the direction of \vec{B} by using the right hand rule. (Hint: the direction of \vec{B} is perpendicular to the current in the infinitely long wires. But you need to think in three dimensions.)
 
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