Plots of B•dl as a function of position along the closed path

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves analyzing the magnetic field along a closed triangular path created by two infinitely long current-carrying wires. Participants are tasked with determining the appropriate plot for the product of the magnetic field and differential length vector as a function of position along this path.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Ampère's law and the right-hand rule to determine the sign of the product B•dl. There is confusion regarding when this product is positive or negative based on the directions of B and dl.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring the relationship between the direction of the current and the path segments, while others are clarifying the use of the right-hand rule to establish the direction of the magnetic field. There is an ongoing examination of how the current enclosed by the path affects the integral.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the direction of the current is indicated by symbols in the problem statement, and there is an emphasis on understanding the three-dimensional nature of the magnetic field relative to the current direction.

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Homework Statement



Two infinitely long current carrying wires run into the page as indicated. Consider a closed triangular path that runs from point 1 to point 2 to point 3 and back to point 1 as shown.
Which of the following plots best shows B•dl as a function of position along the closed path?

J7b5L.png



http://i.imgur.com/J7b5L.png

Homework Equations




miu*I= B•dl

The Attempt at a Solution



I used RHR.I am confused about when should it is positive and when is negative.
 
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syhpui2 said:
I used RHR.I am confused about when should it is positive and when is negative.

Ampère's law states that:

\oint _P \vec B \cdot \vec{dl} = \mu_0 I_{enc}
The left is a closed path integral. In other words, assuming that the path is closed, the total area under the curve of \vec B \cdot \vec{dl} is proportional to the current enclosed within the path. How much current is enclosed within the path? That should rule out one of the choices right there.

Pick a path component and note the direction of \vec{dl} (the corresponding arrow in the figure will show you the direction of \vec{dl}). Use the right hand rule to determine the direction of \vec B. For that path, is the direction of \vec B in the same general direction of \vec{dl} (making \vec B \cdot \vec{dl} positive)? Or are they generally in the opposite direction (making \vec B \cdot \vec{dl} negative)? As a sanity check, repeat for the other path components.
 
collinsmark said:
Ampère's law states that:

\oint _P \vec B \cdot \vec{dl} = \mu_0 I_{enc}
The left is a closed path integral. In other words, assuming that the path is closed, the total area under the curve of \vec B \cdot \vec{dl} is proportional to the current enclosed within the path. How much current is enclosed within the path? That should rule out one of the choices right there.

Pick a path component and note the direction of \vec{dl} (the corresponding arrow in the figure will show you the direction of \vec{dl}). Use the right hand rule to determine the direction of \vec B. For that path, is the direction of \vec B in the same general direction of \vec{dl} (making \vec B \cdot \vec{dl} positive)? Or are they generally in the opposite direction (making \vec B \cdot \vec{dl} negative)? As a sanity check, repeat for the other path components.

So the direction of path is same as direction of current?
Thanks!
 
syhpui2 said:
So the direction of path is same as direction of current?
Thanks!
Um no. :rolleyes: The direction of the current is into the board/paper, as indicated by the 'x's on the wires. The direction of \vec{dl} of each path segment is shown by the arrows on each path segment. (All of that is given to you in the problem statement.) You can determine the direction of \vec{B} by using the right hand rule. (Hint: the direction of \vec{B} is perpendicular to the current in the infinitely long wires. But you need to think in three dimensions.)
 

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