Projection of surface area elements in vector calculus

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The discussion focuses on finding the normal vector at a point on the surface defined by the equation x² + y² + z = 1, where z > 0. The initial calculation for the normal vector, n, involves using the gradient, resulting in components 2x, 2y, and 1. The relationship between the area element dS on the surface and its projection dxdy in the xy-plane is explored, with the projection expressed as dxdy = dS / √(1 + 4x + 4y). Participants clarify the normalization factor for the normal vector and confirm the correct k-component of n. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accurate calculations and normalization in vector calculus.
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Homework Statement


(i) Find the normal, n, at a general point on the surface S1 given by; x2+y2+z = 1 and z > 0.

(ii) Use n to relate the size dS of the area element at a point on the surface S1 to its
projection dxdy in the xy-plane.

The Attempt at a Solution



To find n initially I have just done the grad giving 2x,2y,1

Then with the projection of the surface element I have done that dS=\hat{n}dS and in this case because it is the xy plane it is just in the \hat{k} direction.

\hat{n}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1+4x+4y}}

and so I thought dxdy=\frac{dS}{\sqrt{1+4x+4y}}

I'm really not sure about this so and pointers would be a great help, thanks.

Also, sorry about the poor LaTeX!
 
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jj364 said:
Then with the projection of the surface element I have done that dS=\hat{n}dS and in this case because it is the xy plane it is just in the \hat{k} direction.
I think I'm following you here, but I'm not sure what your two "it"s are referring to.

\hat{n}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1+4x+4y}}

This is just the k-component of ##\hat{n}##, right?
Check your normalization factor here, it's not quite correct.
Otherwise, I think you're on the right track.
 
Yes sorry, wasn't being very clear, I did mean the k component of n hat there yes. Ok I see the problem with the normalisation factor there, should be 4x2 and 4y2, thank you very much!
 
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