RMS error in volume of a cylinder

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The discussion centers on calculating the RMS error in the volume of a cylinder given a 1% error in both radius and height measurements. The initial calculation incorrectly summed the errors linearly, resulting in 3%, while the correct approach involves using the root-sum-squares method. This method accounts for the independent nature of the measurements, leading to a more accurate RMS error of approximately 2.2%. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding how to combine measurement errors correctly, emphasizing that the RMS error is not simply additive. Ultimately, the key takeaway is the application of the root-sum-squares technique for determining RMS errors in various measurements.
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Homework Statement


The length and radius of a perfect cylinder are measured with an RMS error of 1%. The RMS error of the inferred volume of the cylinder is.. ?

Homework Equations


V=∏r2h
Hence dV/V=2dr/r+dh/h

The Attempt at a Solution


I took dr/r and dh/h as 1%. So got the final answer as 2x1%+1%=3%
But the question came with 4 options(one of which is correct):
1.7%, 3.3%, 0.5% and 1%

So my answer is wrong ! What am I overlooking ? Is there any special precautions to be taken about RMS error ?
 
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The uncertainties of the two measurements should be independent, so I would add those contributions in quadrature and not linear. But then the result is 2.2% :D.
1.7% would be the answer if all three dimensions had been measured independently.
 
mfb said:
1.7% would be the answer if all three dimensions had been measured independently.

Could you please explain that, or give some link where it has been explained ? I didn't quiet understand what you meant by that.. X-)
 
The two errors might add up, but also they might partly cancel. So the RMS error in the volume will be less than simply 3 x one dimension of error. Instead, you use a root-sum-squares way of adding them up. But mfb is right that the answer should not be 1.7 either. That would be the answer for volume of a rectangular block with independent 1% errors in each of the three dimensions: √(12+12+12) = √3.
In the present case, there are only two measurements. An error of x% in the radius will produce an error of 2x% in the cross-sectional area, so we have √(12+22) = √5 ≈ 2.2, which is not in the list.
 
Ok. So √3 which matches with one of the given options doesn't really make much sense.

Thanks a lot for the help guys. What was more important to me was how to find the RMS error(of any measurement, not just the volume of a cylinder) rather than just matching answers with options. I guess I learned that. :-)
 
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