Second derivative of the equation for an elipse.

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the second derivative of y with respect to x for the equation of a conic section, specifically 2x² + 3y² = 0. Participants are exploring implicit differentiation and the implications of their results.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss taking the first and second derivatives implicitly and express confusion about the presence of x in their results. There is an attempt to eliminate x using the original equation, and questions arise about the validity of their approaches and assumptions.

Discussion Status

Some guidance has been offered regarding substituting expressions to eliminate x, and participants are actively questioning each other's reasoning and results. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning the nature of the equation and the differentiation process.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the classification of the equation as an ellipse, as well as the challenge of obtaining a solution that only involves y. Participants are working within the constraints of the original equation and the expected form of the answers.

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Homework Statement


Determine the second derivative of y with respect to x when 2x2+3y2=0

Homework Equations


possible answers include:
2/(3y2)
-2/(9y3)
2/(3y3)
-2/(3y2)
-2/(3y3)


The Attempt at a Solution



I took the first derivative with respect to x implicitly and came up with
-2x/3y

I then took the second derivative, but here's where I get stuck.
I wind up with:
(-2y+2x(y'))/(3y^2)

The only possible answers have only y in them, while I see no way to get rid of x in my solution. I've done this several times and come up with the same answer each time, what am I doing wrong?
 
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Use the equation for the ellipse to eliminate x.
 
agent_509 said:

Homework Statement


Determine the second derivative of y with respect to x when 2x2+3y2=0

Homework Equations


possible answers include:
2/(3y2)
-2/(9y3)
2/(3y3)
-2/(3y2)
-2/(3y3)

The Attempt at a Solution



I took the first derivative with respect to x implicitly and came up with
-2x/3y

I then took the second derivative, but here's where I get stuck.
I wind up with:
(-2y+2x(y'))/(3y^2)

The only possible answers have only y in them, while I see no way to get rid of x in my solution. I've done this several times and come up with the same answer each time, what am I doing wrong?
Did you plug your result for y' into you result for y": y" = (-2y+2x(y'))/(3y2)
 
Yes I did,but you'll notice that still doesn't get rid of x.

Vela, what do you mean by that?
 
Oh, sorry, it's not an equation of an ellipse. You can use the original equation ##2x^2+3y^2=0## to solve for ##x## in terms of ##y##.
 
What did you get when you plugged your result for y' into your result for y": y" = (-2y+2x(y'))/(3y2) ?
 

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