Solve the Mystery: Why is My Way Wrong?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two masses on an incline and a pulley system. The original poster believes their grading was incorrect based on their calculations for the kinetic frictional force on mass m_1. They used equations involving tension and friction but received feedback that their approach and variable definitions were unclear. Participants suggest using free body diagrams to clarify the forces acting on the masses and emphasize the need for correct signs in the equations. Ultimately, the focus is on accurately representing the forces in the x and y directions to solve for the frictional force correctly.
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I just recently got my midterm back and I felt this was graded wrong...

I don't have a picture..but just picture a ramp inclined to \phi=30 One mass is sitting on the incline...And the other is dangling from a rope which runs over a pulley

Two masses m_1 & m_2 both have a mass of 2Kg. If m_1 slide up the ramp at a constant velocity, what is the kinetic frictional force on m_1? Assume that the masses of the rope and pulley are negligible, and that the pulley is frictionless.
How I did it...
m_1 x/ T-f_k = m_1a (Eq1)
y/ N-mgsin \phi=0
m_2 x/ T-mgsin \phi=m_2a
y/ T=mgsin \phi (Eq2)
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isolate T in Eq1
T-f_k=m_1a Since a=0
T=f_k
Sub Eq2 into Eq1
mgsin \phi=f_k
2Kg(9.8m/s)sin \phi=f_k
f_k=9.8N
Although i got the right answer he says that it needs to be expressed like this
T-f_k-mgsin \phi=0
f_k=T-mgsin \phi T=mg
f_k=mg-mgsin \phi = 9.8N
Why is my way wrong?
 
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Could you explain what your variables x, y, and T mean?

You should analyze it through the use of force diagrams. The hanging mass is there only to tell you that the tension in the string, T is equal to mg. From there you free body diagram should focus entirely on the mass on the incline.
 
suspenc3 said:
m_1 x/ T-f_k = m_1a (Eq1)
What is this x ? Is that x=gsin(30°) ?

Besides, in the x-direction (ie along the incline) you have 3 forces
1) T m_2g
2) friction \mu_kN
3) the x-component of gravity : gsin(30°)
I did not put in the right signs of these forces...
I only see two forces in your equation

What is x/T ?

The acceleration of object 1 is indeed 0

You should have m_1a_1=0=m_2g - \mu_kN -mgsin(30°)

y/ N-mgsin \phi=0
m_2 x/ T-mgsin \phi=m_2a

What is m_2 x/T ?
y/ T=mgsin \phi (Eq2)
This is incorrect.

In the y direction (perpendicular to the incline) you have
m_1a_1 = 0 =-mgcos(30°) + N

Where N is the normal force.


But you only need the equation in the x direction to get your answer

marlon
 
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