Thermodynamics - Help me understand phase diagrams

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The discussion focuses on the challenges of understanding phase diagrams in thermodynamics, particularly in relation to determining properties of water at a specified state. The user struggles with interpreting the phase diagram due to the lack of labeled axes and the need to estimate values between known points. They question whether the specific volume of 0.5 m³/kg indicates that water is not saturated, which complicates their ability to use standard tables. Responses emphasize the importance of interpolation on logarithmic scales and suggest using more detailed graphing tools for better accuracy. Overall, the conversation highlights the necessity of mastering graphical representations in thermodynamics for effective problem-solving.
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Homework Statement



So my thermo professor has been putting a huge emphasis on phase diagrams, which I didn't really expect. He basically skips most of the analytical/calculus type problems and gives us the graphical phase diagram/ "real world" type of problems for homework. I don't understand phase diagrams because they never put any labels on the axes, and it is just like a little parabola and then he draws two horizontal lines through it, but nothing is labeled.

So here's the problem :

For H2O, determine the specific property at the indicated state. Locate the state on a sketch of the T-V diagram.

a) p = 300 kPa, v (specific volume) = .5 m^3/kg Find T, in Celsius.


Homework Equations



PV^n = k, k is a constant

The Attempt at a Solution



I have a table where I can look up these things but it says that water at 300 kPa (3 bar) is supposed to be .6058 m^3/kg not .5 m^3/kh. So I guess the water in this problem is not saturated and I can't use my table? How can I tell?

And once I find the temperature how do I draw the diagram?
 
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Google T-V diagram. One of the figures it will show you will be a t-v diagram for water. Click on it. Find your point on the diagram.
 
Ok I have done this. But the graph is scaled logarithmically or something and my answer would not be exact. Am I just supposed to just guess what the temperature is between 100C and 200C?
 
Hercuflea said:
Ok I have done this. But the graph is scaled logarithmically or something and my answer would not be exact. Am I just supposed to just guess what the temperature is between 100C and 200C?

Yes. That's how you would use any graph. You have to interpolate as best you can by eyeball. Are you uncomfortable with logarithmic coordinates? If so, get used to it. Find a piece of logarithmic graph paper with a more detailed grid on it to see how the numbers space out, or get yourself a slide rule (which has logarithmic scales on it). Try to find the location of your data point as closely as possible on the graph and see if you can at least see what region it is in qualitatively. For example, is it in the superheated region or in the saturated region?

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