Vapor Pressure In Closed Cylinder

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of pressure in a closed cylinder containing water, specifically addressing whether a vacuum is created when the water level drops and the implications of vapor pressure in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a vacuum is created at Point A when the water level in the pipe drops, or if the pressure remains just below atmospheric pressure due to water vapor.
  • Another participant notes that any closed space will contain vapor, implying that even in a vacuum, some vapor pressure exists.
  • A participant clarifies that while the pressure may be very low, it does not reach negative pressure (below 0 bar), suggesting that pressure can only be relative.
  • One participant argues that negative pressure is not a valid concept in this context, emphasizing that pressure readings depend on temperature and can be checked against water vapor pressure tables.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of pressure in the scenario, particularly regarding the definitions and implications of vacuum and negative pressure. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of pressure readings on temperature and the presence of vapor, but do not resolve the implications of these factors on the original question about vacuum creation.

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Hi There, I am trying to understand if I have a vacuum in the below scenario or simply just really low pressure.

A pump supplies a pipe with a constant supply of water at one end (Point A) the water discharges several kilometers away at some lower elevation (Point B). At "Point A" a valve closes and seals. I assume that the water level in the pipe begins to drop, however, at some point it stops. At this instance have I created a Vacuum at point A? Or is the pressure at Point A simply below atmospheric pressure but above 0 pressure (by some small amount) due to the pressure created by water vapor?

The Engineering side of me sees the pipe as a cylinder and the fluid level acting as a piston, and as the piston lowers it creates a vacuum in the pipe, but I feel as if this is a poor way to look at the situation.
 
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Closed space above anything is (if allowed to reach the equilibrium) saturated with the vapors of whatever is present. Technically even in the steel container evacuated of air there exist an iron vapor (although the pressure is so low we will assume it is just a vacuum).
 
So to be more clear about it. I would have a very low pressure at or near 0 bar. But I would not have a negative pressure (I.e below 0 bar) Correct ?
 
There is no such thing as a negative pressure (unless you mean a relative pressure, which doesn't make sense here).

The pressure you will see depends on the temperature and doesn't have to be low (guess what it will be at the boiling point), you can easily check the value in the water vapor pressure tables.
 

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