What is the total force on a semicircular wire in a uniform magnetic field?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the total force on a semicircular wire carrying a current in a uniform magnetic field. The wire, positioned in the upper half of the x-y plane, experiences a force that can be determined using the cross product of the current and the magnetic field. Participants clarify that the standard formula for straight wires cannot be directly applied due to the wire's curvature, necessitating an integral approach over the semicircular length. The final symbolic answer for the force is confirmed to be 48.0j N when specific values are substituted. The conversation emphasizes understanding the direction of the force at various points along the arc.
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Homework Statement



A very thin wire, which follows a semicircular curve C of radius R, lies in the upper half of the x-y plane with its center at the origin. There is a constant current I flowing counter clockwise, starting upward from the end of the wire on the positive x-axis and ending downward at the end on the negative x axis. The wire is in a uniform magnetic field, which has magnitude Bo and direction parallel to the z axis in the positive z direction. Determine a symbolic answer in unit vector notation for the total force on the wire due to the magnetic field. Ignore the forces on the leads that carry the current into the wire at the right end and out of the wire at the left end.

Solution check: The numerical value with I = 2.00A, Bo = 3.00T, and R = 4.00m is 48.0j N.

Homework Equations



dFb= i dLxB

The Attempt at a Solution



Because it's curved, I don't think you can use Fb = iLBsin. Instead, the cross product version above has to be used. I read some lecture notes here: http://www.wfu.edu/~matthews/courses/phy114/ppt/Ch29-Magnetic_Fields.ppt
And it says that you can just take the length from one endpoint to the other, and use that as your dL. Using that works, because (2)(3)(2x4) = 48, but I don't understand why. Can anybody help clarify? Thanks!
 
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bakin said:
Because it's curved, I don't think you can use Fb = iLBsin. Instead, the cross product version above has to be used.
The magnitude of the cross product i dL X B = i dL B sinθ. (What's θ?)
I read some lecture notes here: http://www.wfu.edu/~matthews/courses/phy114/ppt/Ch29-Magnetic_Fields.ppt
And it says that you can just take the length from one endpoint to the other, and use that as your dL.
Where does it say that? Set up the integral of dF over the length of the semicircle. (It's an easy integral.) Which way does dF point at each position along the arc?
 
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Doc Al said:
The magnitude of the cross product i dL X B = i dL B sinθ. (What's θ?)

Where does it say that? Set up the integral of dF over the length of the semicircle. (It's an easy integral.) Which way does dF point at each position along the arc?

Soooo helpful. I was able to figure it out after thinking about your questions a little bit. Thanks for helping me understand!
 
Excellent. (Glad it helped.)
 
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