Find Kp for 10% Error in Control Engineering Homework

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining a suitable value for the proportional gain, Kp, in a control engineering context to ensure that the steady-state error of a proportional-plus-derivative-plus-acceleration system remains below 10%. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and homework-related problem-solving.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the steady-state error equation and seeks guidance on how to incorporate a 10% error threshold into their calculations.
  • Another participant clarifies that the error can be expressed as a percentage and provides an inequality to solve for Kp.
  • A subsequent reply confirms the formulation of the error percentage and derives an inequality to find Kp, suggesting a specific numerical threshold.
  • Another participant challenges the algebraic manipulation, indicating that Kp must be positive and providing a conceptual understanding of how Kp affects error.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the algebraic steps taken to derive Kp, with some suggesting a specific value while others indicate potential errors in the calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correctness of the derived value for Kp.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the algebraic steps presented, and the dependence on the definitions of error and Kp may affect the conclusions drawn. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps or assumptions made in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


If the steady-state error of the proportional-plus-derivative-plus acceleration system is to be less than 10% determine a suitable value for Kp.

Homework Equations


The input of the system is: v
The output of the system is: y

The transfer function of the system including the controller is:
(23(Kp+4s+s^2)) / (s^3+19s^2+48s+96+23Kp)

The Attempt at a Solution


With steady state: s = 0
Therefore: y steady state = v x (23Kp / (96 + 23Kp))
The error of the system is: v-y
Therefore: error = v - (23Kp / (96+23Kp))v
error = 96v / (96 + 23Kp)

How can I correctly substitute the error of 10% now in this equation.
I think (v-y)/y = 0.1 [error]

But this will leave 3 variables in the equation...

Thanks in advance!
 
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Hi,

The error is a ratio. So when you get to

error = ( 96 / ( 96 + 23 Kp ) ) v,

The error in percentage is:

%error = ( 96 / ( 96 + 23 Kp ) ) < 10%

There you can then solve for the minimum Kp.
 
Cheers.

So that means that:
error = v - y
error [%] = ((v-y)/v)*100%

So:

error = ( 96 / ( 96 + 23 Kp ) ) v
error [%] = ( 96 / ( 96 + 23 Kp ) ) * 100%

( 96 / ( 96 + 23 Kp ) ) * 100% < 10%
( 96 / ( 96 + 23 Kp ) ) < 0.1

Then I get: Kp > 37.565

Is that correct? Thanks in advance!
 
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Hi, you must have done something wrong in the algebra, because Kp should be positive.

( 96 / ( 96 + 23 Kp ) ) < 0.1

Conceptually, when the denominator is 960, you will have exactly 0.1 error.
As Kp increases, the error decreases further. When you solve it using algebra
you can verify that Kp to give you a denominator that is greater than 960.
 
I see, I just edited my reply before your reply.

Thanks a lot!
 

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