Friction and Kinematics: Solving for Minimum Time on a Bridge

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A car starting from rest on a 0.5 km bridge cannot complete the crossing in less than 10 seconds due to the coefficient of friction being 1.0. The discussion revolves around understanding the forces acting on the car, including friction, gravity, and normal force. Participants clarify that the net force driving the car forward is not negated by friction; instead, friction plays a crucial role in enabling movement. Misunderstandings about the relationship between acceleration and friction are addressed, emphasizing that net force equals mass times acceleration. The conversation ultimately leads to a clearer grasp of kinematic equations and the dynamics of motion on the bridge.
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Homework Statement


A car starts from rest on half a kilometer long bridge. The coefficient of friction between the tyre and the road is 1.0. Show that one cannot drive through the bridge in less than 10 seconds. (Take g = 10 m/s2)


Homework Equations


Frictional force = μN
Kinematic equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I just cannot draw the free body diagram. I took the acceleration to be (a - (mu)g) and it got me nowhere. I get the right answer if I consider ma = μN (I get a = 10m/s2 and t = 10s, substituting it in the kinematic equations). But taking ma = μN is like saying the force with which the car is trying to move forward is equal to the force which is pulling it back. But if that is so, how will the car move forward?
 
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RandomGuy1 said:
But taking ma = μN is like saying the force with which the car is trying to move forward is equal to the force which is pulling it back. But if that is so, how will the car move forward?
What do you mean by "the force which is pulling it back"? What force is that? Horizontally, there is only a force pushing it forward.

I just cannot draw the free body diagram.
List the forces acting on the car. I see three.
 
Frictional force is pulling it back. Gravity, Normal Force, Frictional Force are the three forces, right?
If ma is the force with which it is trying to move forward, wouldn't ma being equal to μN mean the car wouldn't move?
 
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RandomGuy1 said:
Frictional force is pulling it back.
No, friction is driving it forward!

Gravity, Normal Force, Frictional Force are the three forces, right?
Right.

If ma is the force with which it is trying to move forward, wouldn't ma being equal to μN mean the car wouldn't move?
"ma" is not a force. It's what the net force equals, per Newton's 2nd law: ƩF = ma.
 
Oh, that makes more sense :redface:. Thank you, Doc!
 
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