How to show that Electric and Magnetic fields are transverse

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The discussion revolves around understanding the conditions under which electric and magnetic fields are considered transverse in the context of plane wave solutions and Maxwell's equations. Participants are examining the implications of the divergence conditions on the fields and the nature of the wave vector.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to reconcile the plane wave solutions with the divergence conditions from Maxwell's equations, questioning the assumption that the divergence of the complex amplitude is zero. Other participants discuss the nature of the amplitude and its implications for the dot products with the wave vector.

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Participants are actively exploring the relationships between the components of the electric field amplitude and the wave vector, with some guidance offered regarding the nature of the amplitudes and their implications for the transverse condition. There is a recognition of the need for clarity on whether the wave vector is real and how that affects the conditions being discussed.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and properties of the electric field amplitude and the wave vector, with specific attention to the assumptions made in the context of the problem. The discussion reflects a mix of theoretical inquiry and practical implications of the mathematical relationships involved.

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Homework Statement


This isn't necessarily a problem, but a question I have about a certain step taken in showing that the electric and magnetic fields are transverse.

In Jackson, Griffiths, and my professor's written notes, each claims the following. Considering plane wave solutions of the form $$ \textbf{E}(\vec{x}, t) = Re[\vec{E_0}e^{-i(\vec{k} \cdot \vec{x} - \omega t)}] \\ \textbf{B}(\vec{x}, t) = Re[\vec{B_0}e^{-i(\vec{k} \cdot \vec{x} - \omega t)}]$$ since the Maxwell equations demand that the divergences of both E and B are zero, this in turn demands that $$\vec{k} \cdot \textbf{E} = 0 \\ \vec{k} \cdot \textbf{B} = 0.$$

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See above, plus the fact that ##\vec{E_0}## and ##\vec{B_0}## are complex functions.

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This has to just be my missing something stupid; I just don't see how the plane wave solutions and the Maxwell equations imply that condition (where the wave vector dotted into the E and B fields is zero). Even doing the divergence out for, say, the x component of the E field, you would have something like $$ (\nabla \cdot \textbf{E})_x = \partial_x ({E_0}_xe^{-i(k_x x - \omega t)}) = \partial_x {E_0}_x - ik_x {E_0}_xe^{-i(k_x x - \omega t)}$$ which, combined with the other components would give you $$ \nabla \cdot \vec{E_0} - i\vec{k} \cdot \textbf{E} = 0 $$ which clearly isn't what any of the textbooks are saying is the case. Is it just that the divergence of the complex function ##\vec{E_0}## is zero? If so, why is that the case? Where am I going wrong here? Thanks!
 
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##\vec E_0## is an amplitude, a constant for the plane waves you describe.
 
Ah okay, I buy that, thanks! Related question though; ##\vec{E_0}## is defined as $$\vec{E_0}=\textbf{A}_1 + i\textbf{A}_2,$$ where ##\textbf{A}_2## and ##\textbf{A}_2## are in ##\mathbb{R}^3##. In a later proof, my professor makes the claim that $$\vec{k} \cdot \textbf{A}_1 = \vec{k} \cdot \textbf{A}_2 = 0.$$ Now, just by simple substitution into ##\vec{k} \cdot \vec{E_0} = 0## would this not imply only that ##\vec{k} \cdot \textbf{A}_1 = - \vec{k} \cdot \textbf{A}_2##? I don't see why we would assume that both dot products are individually zero.
 
Well, if ##\vec k## is real, then ##
\vec{k} \cdot \vec{E_0} = \vec{k} \cdot ( \textbf{A}_1 + i\textbf{A}_2) = 0 + i 0## implies ##\vec{k} \cdot \textbf{A}_1 = \vec{k} \cdot \textbf{A}_2 = 0 ## and you are in business. Is ##\vec k_0## real ? why (or: why not) ?
 

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