Initial energy of a charged particle

AI Thread Summary
The discussion centers on calculating the initial energy required for an alpha particle to approach a gold nucleus within a specified distance. The initial energy formula used is E = kq1q2/r, where the variables represent the charges and distance involved. A key point of confusion arises regarding the distance from the gold nucleus, as the radius of 4.7 * 10^-15 m is interpreted differently; it should be considered from the nucleus's center, effectively doubling the distance to 9.4 * 10^-15 m. The calculations yield an energy of 3.87 * 10^-12 J, but this is noted to be half of the expected value due to the misunderstanding of the distance. Clarification emphasizes that distances in physics typically refer to the center of spherical objects, not their surfaces.
skweeegor
Messages
2
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


Ernest Rutherford in his lab at McGill University, Montreal, fired alpha particles of mass 6.64 * 10^-27 kg at gold foil to investigate the nature of the atom. What initial energy must an alpha particle (charge +2e) have to come within 4.7 * 10^-15 m of a gold nucleus (charge +79e) before coming to rest? This distance is approximately the radius of the gold nucleus.

Givens:

m = 6.64 * 10^-27 kg

q_alpha = 2(1.6 * 10^-19 C)
= 3.2 * 10^-19 C

q_gold = 79(1.6 * 10^-19 C)
= 1.264 * 10^-17 C

r_gold = 4.7 * 10^-15 m

d = 4.7 * 10^-15 m

r = r_gold + d
= 9.4 * 10^-15 m

k = 9.0 * 10^9 N*m^2/C^2

Homework Equations



E = kq1q2/r

The Attempt at a Solution



So I know that the total energy of the system when the alpha particle is at rest and r distance from the centre of the gold nucleus is given by the equation E = kq1q2/r.

So, E = [(9.0*10^9)(3.2*10^-19)(1.264*10^-17)] / 9.4 * 10^-15

Which gives me E = 3.87 * 10^-12 J

However, this is exactly half of what the solution should be, and I can't seem to figure out why.

Thanks
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Distance from the gold nucleus means the distance from its centre.

ehild
 
Yes, but the question asks what the initial energy of the particle would have to be when it is within 4.7 * 10^-15 m of a gold nucleus. It also states that 4.7 * 10^-15 is the radius of the gold nucleus. Therefore, the distance from the centre of the gold nucleus to the alpha particle is 2(4.7 * 10^-15 m). Am I misunderstanding the question?
 
skweeegor said:
Yes, but the question asks what the initial energy of the particle would have to be when it is within 4.7 * 10^-15 m of a gold nucleus. It also states that 4.7 * 10^-15 is the radius of the gold nucleus. Therefore, the distance from the centre of the gold nucleus to the alpha particle is 2(4.7 * 10^-15 m). Am I misunderstanding the question?

Usually the distance from a sphere-like object means the distance from its centre, especially for something which does has not a smooth surface.
When we speak about the distance of Moon from the Earth or the distance of Earth from the Sun, it is the distance between the centres, and not that between the surfaces. How would you take the atmosphere into account? Where does the Earth or the Sun end?
The gold nucleus contains a lot of protons and neutrons with no definite shape and not in rest. You can not compare the size of the nucleus by comparing it with a metre stick. The radius can be defined by an indirect way, buy scattering experiments fro example.

ehild
 
Last edited:
I multiplied the values first without the error limit. Got 19.38. rounded it off to 2 significant figures since the given data has 2 significant figures. So = 19. For error I used the above formula. It comes out about 1.48. Now my question is. Should I write the answer as 19±1.5 (rounding 1.48 to 2 significant figures) OR should I write it as 19±1. So in short, should the error have same number of significant figures as the mean value or should it have the same number of decimal places as...
Thread 'A cylinder connected to a hanging mass'
Let's declare that for the cylinder, mass = M = 10 kg Radius = R = 4 m For the wall and the floor, Friction coeff = ##\mu## = 0.5 For the hanging mass, mass = m = 11 kg First, we divide the force according to their respective plane (x and y thing, correct me if I'm wrong) and according to which, cylinder or the hanging mass, they're working on. Force on the hanging mass $$mg - T = ma$$ Force(Cylinder) on y $$N_f + f_w - Mg = 0$$ Force(Cylinder) on x $$T + f_f - N_w = Ma$$ There's also...
Back
Top