Object within a Pan Spring Motion

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the motion of an object (an egg) within a pan attached to a spring, focusing on the dynamics of spring motion and the forces acting on the egg. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, specifically simple harmonic motion (SHM) and forces.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between mass and spring constant in determining the period of motion. They discuss the forces acting on the egg, including normal force and gravitational force, and question how these forces affect equilibrium. There is also consideration of the maximum acceleration during SHM and its implications for the egg's motion.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about the motion and forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of acceleration in SHM and the timing of motion relative to equilibrium, but no consensus has been reached on the specifics of part b of the problem.

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There is an indication that the problem may involve constraints related to the setup of the spring and the forces acting on the egg, which are still under discussion.

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Homework Equations


Spring motion equations
##\omega = \sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}##
##KE = \frac{1}{2}k \Delta x^2##
##F = -k \Delta x##
##T = \frac{1}{f}##
##f = \frac{\omega}{2 \pi}##

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Part a is straightforward I believe.
Simply combine the masses as m+M, into ##\omega = \sqrt{\frac{k}{m+M}}##
So then ##T = \frac{1}{f} = \frac{2 \pi}{\sqrt{\frac{k}{m+M}}}##
I believe the time it takes to return equilibrium should half a period, so we get ##\frac{\pi}{\sqrt{\frac{k}{m+M}}}##

Part b is the tricky part, I'm not sure how one goes about it. I guess the first step would be identifying all the forces on the egg
The egg has an upwards normal force from the pan, along with a downwards force from gravity.
It would experience a force from the spring when it is being pulled up or down.
I imagine you would try to find the sum of forces and find when it is not in equilibrium?
 

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srekai said:
the time it takes to return equilibrium should half a period
Think that through again.
srekai said:
Part b is the tricky part
Consider accelerations. During SHM, where in the cycle is the maximum acceleration? What determines the maximum acceleration of the egg?
 
haruspex said:
Think that through again.

Consider accelerations. During SHM, where in the cycle is the maximum acceleration? What determines the maximum acceleration of the egg?

Yeah definitely half a period, since you pass by the equilibrium point after half a period. Since spring motion is sinusoidal, it'll start from rest, into maximum amplitude, then passes by the equilibrium point, into the compressed form, back out into the equilibrium point in one period.

Acceleration is greatest at the maximum amplitudes, so either when it's fully stretched or compressed.
##a = -(2 \pi f)^2 x##
 
srekai said:
it'll start from rest, into maximum amplitude, then passes by the equilibrium point, into the compressed form, back out into the equilibrium point in one period.
Right, and the question is asking for the time from one extreme to equilibrium.
srekai said:
Acceleration is greatest at the maximum amplitudes, so either when it's fully stretched or compressed.
Yes. But is there anything in the set-up that limits the acceleration to which the egg can be subjected?
 

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