Ranking springs in terms of spring constant

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around ranking springs based on their spring constants, utilizing Hooke's law and the relationship between mass and spring extension. Participants are examining the implications of spring configurations, such as those in parallel and in series, on the spring constant.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to derive the spring constants based on mass and extension, questioning the relationship between mass and spring constant. There is also discussion about the effects of different spring arrangements on the overall spring constant.

Discussion Status

Some participants are providing insights into the relationships between mass, extension, and spring constant, while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding the orientation of the springs and the relevance of mass in this context. There is an ongoing exploration of the principles governing springs in parallel versus in series.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings regarding the setup of the problem, particularly the horizontal versus vertical arrangements of the springs and the role of mass in determining spring constants. The original poster's reasoning is being challenged, leading to a deeper inquiry into the mechanics involved.

Avalanche
Messages
23
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



untitled_zps8b86c45b.jpg


Homework Equations



Hooke's law. F = kΔx
ω = sqrt(k/m)

The Attempt at a Solution


For part A

F = mg = kΔx
k = mg/Δx

g is a constant so the spring constant is proportional to the mass and inversely proportional to the change in distance that the spring stretches

My answer is from smallest to largest spring constant: c < A = B < D

But the answer key says the answer is c < B = D < A

What am I doing wrong?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Avalanche said:
My answer is from smallest to largest spring constant: c < A = B < D
But the answer key says the answer is c < B = D < A
That doesn't really constitute posting your attempt at a solution. You need to explain your reasoning.
 
haruspex said:
That doesn't really constitute posting your attempt at a solution. You need to explain your reasoning.

Avalanche said:

Homework Statement



F = mg = kΔx
k = mg/Δx

g is a constant so the spring constant is proportional to the mass and inversely proportional to the change in distance that the spring stretches

Greater the mass, greater the spring constant. Longer the spring stretches, smaller the spring constant. Since C stretches by the largest amount and has a mass of only m, the spring constant is the smallest. A and B stretches by the same amount and have the same mass, the spring constants are equal. C has the largest spring constant because it stretches the spring by the same amount of A and B but has a larger mass.
 
Avalanche said:
Greater the mass, greater the spring constant.
You seem to be equating the attached mass to the tension in the spring. That is not correct. The diagrams are not showing how the spring would be extended if subjected to the weight of the attached mass. For a start, the systems are horizontal, not vertical.
For this part of the question, ignore the masses. The diagrams are merely showing arrangements made by connecting up copies of some standard spring: two in parallel (A), two in series (C), or just one by itself (B, D).
 
Looking at the answer, I assume springs in parallel have greater spring constants, then springs by itself and springs in series have the smallest spring constant.

Is there a reason for this? Like an equation/relationship?
 
Avalanche said:
Looking at the answer, I assume springs in parallel have greater spring constants, then springs by itself and springs in series have the smallest spring constant.

Is there a reason for this? Like an equation/relationship?
Suppose you have two identical springs with coefficient k. If one is stretched by x it is under tension kx. If I put two in parallel, what force will I need to pull with to get an extension of k (each)?
Then try the in series case.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
Replies
7
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
4K
  • · Replies 31 ·
2
Replies
31
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K