Temperature and Frequency: Calculating Percent Difference for Piano Tuning

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the percent difference in frequency of a piano when the temperature changes from 20.0°C to 6.32°C. The context is related to the physics of sound and temperature effects on tuning.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss different equations for calculating sound velocity based on temperature, including V = Square Root (3RT/M) and V = 331 + 0.6(T). There are attempts to calculate the percent difference in frequency but with varying results. Questions arise regarding the validity of the equations used and the interpretation of temperature in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various methods to arrive at the percent difference. Some express confusion about their calculations and the appropriateness of the formulas. There is no clear consensus on the correct approach or answer yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the temperature affects the tuning of the piano, but there is uncertainty about the equations and their derivations. The problem may involve complexities not fully addressed in the initial attempts.

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Homework Statement


A piano is to be tuned at 20.0°C. However, when the temperature has lowered to 6.32°C, the piano will be off tune. By what percentage will the piano be off key at this low temperature?


Homework Equations


V = Square Root (3RT/M)


The Attempt at a Solution


T must be in Kelvins, so 20--> 293 K and 6.32--> 279.47 K

Because 3R/M is constant for both temperatures, you can ignore that in the equation so it is just the square root of temperature.
V1 = Sqrt (293)
V2 = Sqrt (279.47)

To find the percent difference, I did (1 - V2/V1) = 0.0234. Thus, the percent difference is 2.34%, but that wasn't the right answer.
 
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I just tried doing it a different way, but that still didn't give me the right answer.

V = 331 + .6(T)
V1=343 m/s
V2=334.792 m/s

1-v2/v1 = 0.0239 = 2.39%

I am really confused on this problem if anyone knows what I am doing wrong.
 
Where did you get the equation from ?
Are you sure T isn't tension?
 
I'm no expert, I'm in grade 11 just like you but I'm a little better at this stuff than the rest... I'm not sure if I'm right, but use the V = 331 + .6(T) formula, and divide the first number (original), by the new number? And you might get a percentage?

mgb_phys said:
Where did you get the equation from ?
Are you sure T isn't tension?

T is the temperature, it is also tension in different equations.
The equation that I repeated (v=) is from the Grade 11 textbook... it is a valid formula.
 
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I flipped the equation so that it was V1/V2, which gave a percent of 2.45, but that didn't work either. I don't think this question is supposed to be that difficult, so could it just be a problem with the answer, since I'm pretty sure everything I did was right.

Does anyone notice anything wrong though with the work I did earlier?
 
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