Thermodynamics: find internal energy given the equation of state

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The discussion revolves around finding the internal energy of a system given an equation of state and specific heat values. The subject area is thermodynamics, focusing on the relationship between internal energy, temperature, and volume.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the application of known relationships involving internal energy and specific heats. There is discussion about deriving expressions for internal energy using the equation of state and the implications of specific heat values.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationships between specific heats and internal energy. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of initial conditions for internal energy, with varying interpretations of how to approach the problem.

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Participants note constraints regarding the initial conditions for internal energy and the classical interpretation of zero internal energy at absolute zero temperature. There is acknowledgment of potential missing information in the problem statement.

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Given the following equation of state and [itex]C_p = 3R[/itex], find the equation of the internal energy in terms of T and V

[itex] p(V-b) = RT[/itex]

Any clues? I can use also the specific heat at constant pressure or volume. Thanks!
 
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Have you tried applying what you know about "internal energy" from your coursework so far?
Same with specific heats.
 
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Observation: I changed a little the statement of the problem, as I noticed I had additional constraints.

Now to the problem: I have found the equation (which I didn't remember...)

[itex]dU =C_{V}dT +\left[T\left(\frac{\partial p}{\partial T}\right)_{V} - p\right]dV[/itex]

So with the equation of state it gives:

[itex]\dfrac{\partial p}{\partial T} = \dfrac{\partial}{\partial T}\left(\dfrac{R}{V-b}T\right) = \dfrac{R}{V-b}[/itex]

And including it in the previous equation:

[itex]dU = C_{V}dT +\left[T\dfrac{R}{V-b} - p\right]dV = C_{V}dT +\left[T\dfrac{R}{V-b} - \dfrac{R}{V-b}T \right]dV = C_{V}dT[/itex]

Now, to put [itex]C_{V}[/itex] in terms of [itex]C_{P}[/itex] we have the relation:

[itex]C_p - C_V = T \left(\frac{\partial p}{\partial T}\right)_{V} \left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_{p}[/itex]

The terms of which we can find with the equation of state:

[itex]\frac{\partial p}{\partial T} = \dfrac{R}{V-b} \qquad \frac{\partial V}{\partial T} = \dfrac{R}{p}[/itex]

So

[itex]C_p - C_V = \cdots = R \Rightarrow C_V = C_p - R = 2R[/itex]

And finally [itex]dU = C_{V}dT= 2R dT[/itex] so [itex]\Delta U = 2R \Delta T[/itex]

Is it alright? Any problem with not determining [itex]U[/itex] but [itex]\Delta U[/itex]?
 
I don't know - its your course.

Note: you had $$\frac{dU}{dT}=2R$$ ... so why not treat it like an initial value problem? What is U when T=0K?
 
Well, I'm not sure of the initial condition, that's why I asked ;)
I guess it must be zero internal energy when temperature is zero, so then we can drop de deltas.
 
There you go.

All you need for an "initial" condition is any known value.
The problem statement will not always include all the information you are expected to use.

Note: U=0 @ T=0 would be the classical interpretation - IRL you still have zero-point energy corresponding to the QM ground state.
 

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