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The discussion revolves around calculating the minimum force required to hold a smaller block (16kg) against a larger block (88kg) on a frictionless surface, with a coefficient of friction of 0.38 between them. The key equations involve frictional force, normal force, and gravitational force, leading to the conclusion that the frictional force must counteract the weight of the smaller block. The user initially calculated the required force to be 2.68e3 N but sought verification and clarification on finding the system's acceleration. Ultimately, the normal force exerted by the larger block on the smaller block is determined to be 413 N, which aids in calculating the overall acceleration of the system. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the forces at play to solve the problem effectively.
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Homework Statement



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Two blocks m (16kg) and M (88kg) are as shown in the figure. If the co-efficient of friction b/w the blocks is 0.38 but the surface beneath the block is frictionless, what is the minimum force required to hold m against M?

How would you go about solving this kind of a problem? which concept am i required to use?

Homework Equations



F(friction)= c.o.f * F(normal)

The Attempt at a Solution



So i tried solving it (its too lengthy to write exactly what i did) but i ended up with a final answer of F = 2.68e3 N. Can someone double check that? thanks
 

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The solution need not be lengthy.
If F is the applied force, what is the common acceleration of M and m?
What is normal reaction on m by M?
What is the frictional force between m and M? What is its direction?
Which force pulls m down ward direction?
 
How are you supposed to get the system's acceleration though?

Fa = Force Applied
Ff = Force Friction
Fg = Force Gravity
Fn = Force Normal

\SigmaFx = MA

Fa = 104a
a = Fa/104?

Doesn't really help unless I'm missing something.

Force causing the friction (gravity) is:

Fg = 16(9.81)
Fg = 157N

Therefore, the block has 157 Newton's being pulled down.

\SigmaFy = MA

The block is held still, therefore, no acceleration
\SigmaFy = 0
Ff - Fg = 0

\muFn - 157 = 0
Fn = 157/(.38)
Fn = 413N

This would be, in theory, the force that the big 88 Kg block exerts on the small block... But it still doesn't help me find the dang acceleration

Edit: Oh nevermind... ha ha... Yeah it does. I can then use the system of the 2nd block to find the acceleration of the full system.
 
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