Interference of light (perpendicular plains)

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The discussion revolves around the interference of two waves of plane-polarised light that are equal in intensity and completely in phase, but have perpendicular planes of oscillation. Participants explore the resultant polarization effects and the nature of the interference, touching on concepts such as plane and circular polarization.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the interference of two waves of plane-polarised light with perpendicular oscillation planes.
  • Another participant explains that the electric field vectors will add together, resulting in a new vector that lies in a different plane, potentially leading to plane or elliptical polarization depending on the phase relationship.
  • A participant questions whether "plane polarization" refers to circular polarization, suggesting that two perpendicular light vectors with identical amplitude and phase might produce circular polarization.
  • In response, it is noted that if the two waves are in phase, their maxima will coincide, resulting in a diagonal vector that represents plane polarization at a 45-degree angle to the original planes, rather than circular polarization.
  • It is mentioned that a phase difference of 90 degrees is necessary for the resultant to exhibit circular polarization, with references to diagrams and equations in an external link provided for further clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the resultant polarization, with some asserting that the resultant is plane polarized when the waves are in phase, while others suggest that circular polarization could occur under specific conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the resultant polarization.

Contextual Notes

There is a reliance on external resources for diagrams and equations, and the discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with the concepts of polarization and wave interference.

Pagowen
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Hi,

Apologies if this is a really basic question, but I'm not a physicist by training. I was wondering how two waves of plane-polarised light will interfere if they have equal intensity, are completely in phase, but their planes of oscillation are perpendicular to one another?
 
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Hello and welcome to PF. Not a bad question, at all, actually.
There will be a resultant of the addition of the two waves. The E field vectors will add together, according to the phases of each and the resultant, at any point, will be a new vector, in a different plane from the two planes you started with. According to the phases and amplitudes of the two sources, the resultant may have plane polarisation (in phase addition) or elliptical polarisation (sorry- a new idea, perhaps- but it's what you get when the two are not in phase).
It's hard to recommend a suitable link for you, as I don't know your level of knowledge but http://www.ece.mcmaster.ca/faculty/nikolova/4FJ4_downloads/lectures/L04_Polarization.pdf could be interesting as it has some good diagrams in it.
Many VHF f.m. sound transmissions (in the UK, at least) use circular or mixed polarisation and it is often achieved using a mixture of VP and HP transmitting aerials - which is just what your question is about, am.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
Hello and welcome to PF. Not a bad question, at all, actually.
There will be a resultant of the addition of the two waves. The E field vectors will add together, according to the phases of each and the resultant, at any point, will be a new vector, in a different plane from the two planes you started with. According to the phases and amplitudes of the two sources, the resultant may have plane polarisation (in phase addition) or elliptical polarisation (sorry- a new idea, perhaps- but it's what you get when the two are not in phase).
It's hard to recommend a suitable link for you, as I don't know your level of knowledge but http://www.ece.mcmaster.ca/faculty/nikolova/4FJ4_downloads/lectures/L04_Polarization.pdf could be interesting as it has some good diagrams in it.
Many VHF f.m. sound transmissions (in the UK, at least) use circular or mixed polarisation and it is often achieved using a mixture of VP and HP transmitting aerials - which is just what your question is about, am.

Thanks for the reply! I'm currently looking over the slides in the link. I think I get it, but will just have to read through to make sure. One question, though: by plane polarisation, do you mean circular? Based on what I've just read in the link, won't two perpendicular light vectors with identical amplitude and phase interfere to produce circular polarlisation?
 
Pagowen said:
Thanks for the reply! I'm currently looking over the slides in the link. I think I get it, but will just have to read through to make sure. One question, though: by plane polarisation, do you mean circular? Based on what I've just read in the link, won't two perpendicular light vectors with identical amplitude and phase interfere to produce circular polarlisation?

You need to look at the link again. This polarisation thing takes a bit of getting used to - time and distance are involved with waves and it isn't obvious.
But if the two waves are in phase, their maxima will occur at the same time at the same point in space. That will produce a 'diagonal' vector and the vector will always lie in that diagonal plane, going through a zero and then a max in the other direction. That is plane polarisation and the p[lane is 450 to each of the original polarisation planes.. The two waves need to be 900 out of phase so that the resultant follows that spiral path - shown in one of the diagrams in the link. The maxes and zeros never coincide so the resultant vector is always the same amplitude but traces out a spiral of ' unit' radius. (Never passes through zero amplitude.) See the equation at the bottom of page 17 on the link. There is a π/2 constant in the second contribution. That means 900 phase difference.
It may just be worth while (if your co-ordination is up to it lol) to try waving your hands about to simulate the two waves and then visualise their resultant. I just tried it (no one was watching!) and I think it made sense to me. But then again, I do know the answer already.
 

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