Oscillation of a spring - pulley system

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The discussion revolves around a spring-pulley system involving a mass suspended by a spring with a known spring constant. The original poster seeks to determine the frequency of simple harmonic motion for the system, raising questions about the tension in the ropes and the effective spring constant.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to relate the tension in the spring to the weight of the mass, questioning whether the tension should be halved due to the pulley setup. Participants discuss the implications of the pulley system on the effective spring constant and the behavior of the tension as the mass oscillates.

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Participants are actively exploring the relationship between the spring constant and the tension in the ropes, with some suggesting that the effective spring constant may be doubled due to the configuration. There is a productive exchange of ideas regarding the mechanics of the system, although no consensus has been reached on the final approach to the problem.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions related to the massless pulley and the nature of the ropes involved in the system. The original poster is also grappling with the implications of these assumptions on their calculations.

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A massless spring of constant k=196 N/m is used to suspend the mass M=1.45 kg (including the pulley), as shown in the attached figure. What is the frequency of simple harmonic motion?


Relevant equations
f = 1/period
T = 2pi*sqrt(M/k)
Tension = 1/2Mg

What I tried...
T(tension on spring) = 1/2Mg <-- since each rope has equal tension?? with that, I found that the mass acting on the spring would be M/2 since the tension is half of the weight?? I feel like this may be where I'm going wrong..

f = 1/(period) = (1/2pi)*sqrt(k/m)
f = 2.62 /hz

I know I'm doing something wrong, I'm just not sure how what I need to change. Any explanations would be great!
 

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The tension in the rope is going to vary as the mass moves up and down (this should be obvious, as the spring will change length and so must "administer" a force -kΔx accordingly).

Something to consider is the fact that, thanks to the rope and pulley, the other side of the rope (without the spring) is always going to have the same tension as the side with the spring. This assumes a massless pulley without friction or rotational inertia of course.

Since the tension versus displacement is the same for both ropes, the system behaves as though BOTH ropes have a spring in them! So what is the effective spring constant for two springs in parallel?
 
Okay that makes a lot of sense :) Would the k of the spring then equal the k of the rope? So k(eff) = 2k ?
 
ineedhelp1234 said:
Okay that makes a lot of sense :) Would the k of the spring then equal the k of the rope? So k(eff) = 2k ?

Strictly speaking the ideal massless rope doesn't have a spring constant, but I understand what you mean :smile: Yes, the system behaves as though the "solid" rope were another spring of the same k.

In reality, that rope and pulley arrangement doubles the force that the mass feels from the spring for a given Δx of the spring.
 

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