Implicit Definition and 520 Threads

  1. I

    Aren't many implicit methods actually explicit?

    When solving differential equations numerically with finite difference methods, textbooks get to the point of solving: A psi_(n+1) = B psi_n (with A, B some matrices, typically complex conjugate of each other) and advise on using LU decomposition to do so. My question is, why not...
  2. Y

    Implicit => inverse function theorem ( due to exam, )

    Implicit => inverse function theorem (urgent due to exam, please help) Homework Statement Prove the inverse function theorem, knowing the implicit function theorem. Homework Equations The statements of both theorems... Can't think of much else. The Attempt at a Solution...
  3. QuarkCharmer

    Finding tan line to curve via implicit dif.

    Homework Statement Stewart Calculus (6E) 3.6 question #26 Using implicit differentiation, find the equation of a tangent line to the curve at the given point. x^2+2xy-y^2+x=2 Through point p(1,2) I just want to know if I am doing this correctly. Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution...
  4. QuarkCharmer

    Implicit Differentiation, and the Chain Rule

    Homework Statement Use implicit differentiation to find dy/dx 2x^3+x^2y-xy^3 = 2 Homework Equations Chain Rule et al. The Attempt at a Solution My questions is this. When deriving something like xy^3, apply the product rule to get 1y^3 + x\frac{d}{dx}y^3 I am confused on...
  5. S

    Integral vs differential curl theorem implicit condition

    Faraday's law has an integral and a differential version: curl \mathbf{E} = - \frac{\partial \mathbf{B}}{\partial t} \mbox{ and } \oint_{C} \mathbf{E} \cdot d \mathbf{l}=- \frac{d}{dt} \int_{S} \mathbf{B} \cdot d \mathbf{S} When I use the differential version I always have a constant of...
  6. D

    Checking an implicit solution of a diff eqn

    Homework Statement "Determine whether the equations on the right define implicit functions of x. For those which do, determine whether they are implicit solutions of the differential equations on the left." e^(x-y) + e^(y-x)(dy/dx) = 0, e^(2y)+e^(2x) = 1 The Attempt at a Solution Apologies...
  7. T

    Why are implicit functions used instead of explicit?

    Hi, this is a very basic question. I want to know why are implicit functions used, when the purpose of functions is to calculate the independent variable. For example, why would someone write ay + bx + c = 0 as a "straight line function" (sorry for the possible abuse of language, I don't...
  8. S

    Another implicit function problem

    I'm having some trouble grasping the implicit function theroem in some cases. Here's one of them. Homework Statement Show that there exist a C2 function y(x) in some neighbourhood of 0 such that y(0) = 0 and y(x)3 + 3y(x) = x Find y'(0) and y''(0) Homework Equations The implicit function...
  9. B

    Behaviour of implicit ODE solution as x approaches infinity

    Homework Statement This is the solution to an IVP, and the question asks how the function behaves as x Approaches infinity...
  10. F

    Implicit Differentiation with Mathematica

    Homework Statement I tried using D[x = y - y^2, x, NonConstants -> {y}] and it keeps telling me that y - y^2 is not a valid variable.
  11. S

    Convergence of implicit Euler method

    Homework Statement The implicit Euler method is yn = yn-1 + hf(xn,yn). Find the local truncation error and hence show that the method is convergent. Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I found the error to be ln = (-h2/2)y''(xn-1) + O(h3). For convergence I am up to...
  12. S

    Questions involving implicit differentiation,

    Homework Statement Q1. using implicit diff to find dy/dx when x^2 y + 6xy^2 = 5x-2 Q2. Find max and min values of y= x^3 -3x^2 -6x + 7 on the interval -3<=x<=5 Q3.Find the exact values of the x coordinate of the points of inflexion on the graph of y = 2x^4 +3x^2 +x +5 Q4. a red car is...
  13. P

    Calculus problem involving implicit differentiation.

    Good afternoon, This is not actually a homework question; it's for self-study. I'm reading a Calculus book, and one of its exercises asks the following: If xnym = (x+y)n+m, show that xDxy = y (where Dxy is the derivative of y with respect to x). The only way I could think of to get the correct...
  14. Rasalhague

    Implicit Differentiation Example: Finding Solutions for f(x,y) = 0

    Spivak: Calculus on Manifolds, p. 42: Assuming "differentiating f(x,g(x)) = 0" means differentiating f \circ h, where h : (-1,1) \rightarrow \mathbb{R}^2 \; | \; x \mapsto (I(x),g(x)), I(x) = x and setting the result identically equal to zero, we have 2x+2g(x) \cdot g'(x) = 0, as...
  15. M

    Solving Implicit Functions: x(u^2)+v=y^3, 2yu-x(v^3)=4x

    Homework Statement If x(u^2) + v=(y^3), 2yu - x(v^3)=4x. Find a) du/dx and b) dv/dx Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution Not sure if I am supposed to differentiate as is, or try and write u and v as functions of x and y. The answer is supposed to be: a)...
  16. D

    Implicit Function Theorem for Solving Nonlinear Equations

    Homework Statement I am currently working through the problems in Edwards book "Advanced Calculus of Several Variables". This is the problem (1.9 page 171): Show that the equation z3 + ze(x+y) + 2 = 0 has a unique solution z=f(x, y) defined for all (x,у) an element of R3. Homework...
  17. C

    Proof That Given Equation is Implicit Solution of Differential Eqn

    "Show that the given equation is an implicit solution of the given differential eqn" Homework Statement Show that the given equation is an implicit solution of the given differential equation - y2 - 1 - (2y + xy)(y-prime) = 0 y2 - 1 = (x + 2)2Homework Equations y2 - 1 - (2y +...
  18. R

    How Does Implicit Differentiation Apply to Polynomial Equations?

    Question: y6 + 6 (x^2+4)6 = 9 6y5 .dy/dx . 6(x2 + 4)5 . (2x) = 0 6y5 .dy/dx = -6(x2+4)5 .(2x) dy/dx = 6y5 / -6(x2 + 4)5 .(2x) dy/dx = 6y5 / 12x(x2 +4)5 Although the answer is ment to have y5 as the numerator, not 6y5? ------------- Another Q. [Simplifying result from...
  19. H

    Problem involving implicit differentiation over an ellipse

    Homework Statement So here's a question from my textbook 'Calculus: Concepts and Contexts' 2nd ed. by James Stewart. This is section 3.6 # 54 We have Cartesian coordinates set up with an ellipse at x^2 + 4y^2 = 5 To the right of the ellipse a lamppost (in 2D!) stands at x=3 with...
  20. D

    How to Handle Fourth Order Implicit Runge-Kutta Methods?

    Hey folks I'm experimenting with symplectic integrators and I'm trying to figure out how to deal with fourth order implicit Runge-Kutta methods as shown here (symplectic version second link). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runge%E2%80%93Kutta_methods#Implicit_Runge.E2.80.93Kutta_methods...
  21. C

    What is the Implicit Derivative at a Given Point?

    Homework Statement "Find dy/dx at the given point by using implicit differentiation" x2y + y2x = -2 at (2, -1) and (x+y)3 = x3 + y3 Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution 1) x2(dy/dx) + y(2x) + y2(1) + 2y(dy/dx)(x) = -2 x2(dy/dx) + 2xy + y2 + 2xy(dy/dx) = -2...
  22. Kawakaze

    Beginner implicit differentiation

    Please go easy on me, 2 days ago I didnt even know what implicit differentiation was. Homework Statement If x tan y − y tan x = 1, use implicit differentiation to determine dy/dx, expressing your answer in the form dy/dx = f(x, y), The Attempt at a Solution Differentiate first...
  23. S

    What is the implicit equation for a plane perpendicular to a line?

    Homework Statement An implicit equation for the plane passing through the point (-2,5,-5) that is perpendicular to the line L(t) = <5+2t,3,4> is ...? Homework Equations a(x-x0) + b(y-y0) + c(z-z0) = 0 The Attempt at a Solution So in order to find the equation of the plane I would...
  24. M

    Center of mass of area described by implicit function

    Homework Statement I'm trying to find the center of mass of the region (x²+y²)² =2xy in the first quadrant, but I got stuck. The Attempt at a Solution What I did is make the substitution x = r cos(t), y = r sin(t), which gives the equation r^{4}=2r²cos(t) sin(t), so r² = sin(2t)...
  25. R

    How to Calculate Implicit Derivatives for Understanding

    In short, I need to know how do you do them. I missed class, and our textbook is so bad that it might as well be written in a foreign language. I understand how to do dy/dx of an equation not in the form y =... ex. y^2 = x^3 + 2x + 5, (y'=(3x^2 +2)/2y) for example, but how would you take the...
  26. A

    Simple Implicit Differenentiation Help

    Homework Statement The original function is given as such: y = 13 arctan(\sqrt{x}) Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I went ahead and changed it into: tan(\frac{y}{13}) = \sqrt{x} I thought it would be simpler this way. So now I differentiate...
  27. J

    How Is Implicit Differentiation Applied to Solve 5y^2 = 4x - 3/4x + 3?

    Homework Statement Given 5y^2 = 4x - 3/4x + 3 Homework Equations is it permissable to say this is equal to y^2 = 4x -3 /5(4x + 3) and then 2y(dy)/(dx) = what the right side equals thru using the quotient rule? I know the answer is dy/dx = 12/5y(4x + 3)^2 but I don't know how to...
  28. B

    Implicit Function Theorem Question

    Implicit Function Theorem I've been having a lot of trouble understanding the statement of the theorem and its proof, so I would like to see if I did the following question below correctly. The problem Let f : R² → R be given by f(x,y,z) = sin(xyz) + e^[2x + y(z - 1)]. Show that the level set...
  29. B

    Implicit Function Theorem: Solving Level Sets and Computing Partial Derivatives

    I've been having a lot of trouble understanding the statement of the theorem and its proof, so I would like to see if I did the following question below correctly. The problem Let f : R² → R be given by f(x,y,z) = sin(xyz) + e^[2x + y(z - 1)]. Show that the level set {f = 1} can be solved as...
  30. H

    Implicit Differentiation - 2nd derivative

    Homework Statement Find d2y/dx2 in terms of x and y for the following equation: xy + y^2 = 1 COMPLETELY SIMPLIFY Homework Equations dy/dx The Attempt at a Solution so i get -y/(x+2y) for the dy/dx. When I try to find the 2nd derivative and plug in dy/dx, I get...
  31. K

    Implicit Derivative of this Function

    [Solved]Implicit Derivative of this Function Homework Statement Find the implicit Derivative of this function: 1/x+1/y=1 Homework Equations Chain Rule, Quotient Rule ... ? The Attempt at a Solution 1/x-(y'/y^2)=1 (y'/y^2)=1-1/x y'=1/y^2-y^2/x The answer seems to be...
  32. Telemachus

    Second derivatives using implicit differentiation

    Hi there. Well, I wanted to know how to find the second derivatives of a function using implicit differentiation. Is it possible? I think it is. I think I must use the chain rule somehow, but I don't know how... I'm in multivariable calculus since the function I'm going to use could be seen as a...
  33. A

    Implicit differentiation help again

    implicit differentiation help :) again! Homework Statement Use implicit differentiation 1) x/(y-x2)=1 and 2) (y2-1)3=x2-y The Attempt at a Solution 1) x/(y-x2)=1 => [(y-x2)(1)-(x)((1*dy/dx)-2x)]/[(y-x)2]2=0 => y-x2-x(dy/dx)+2x2=[(y-x)2]2 I think I'm going to stop here because I'm pretty...
  34. A

    Horizontal tangents via implicit differentiation

    Homework Statement Find the points (if any) of of horizontal tangent lines on : x2 + xy + y2 = 6 Homework Equations n/a The Attempt at a Solution So far I've concluded that I must find the points at which dy/dx = 0. I've solved for dy/dx and arrived at dy/dx = (-2x-y)/(x+2y)...
  35. C

    Complicated implicit differentiation

    Homework Statement If (sqrt x) + (sqrt y) = 11 and f(9)=64 ---> find f '(9) by implicit differentiation The Attempt at a Solution I keep getting lost in my work here... first, taking derivative of both sides: d/dx ((sqrt x) + (sqrt y)) = d/dx (11)...
  36. D

    Implicit Differentiation and Complex numbers concept question

    I just started learning Implicit Differentiation and came across an issue. I took the derivative of the circle function: y2 + x2 = 1 y' = -x / y This all made sense until I solved the circle function for y, which gives: y = \pm\sqrt{1 - x^2} For any x > 1, it's going to be complex. So, does...
  37. H

    Implicit Differentiation Tangent lines

    Homework Statement Where does the graph of 25x^2 + 16y^2 + 200x - 160y + 400 = 0 have a horizontal tangent line. Homework Equations dy/dx dx/dy or something not sure. The Attempt at a Solution Well I know that a horizontal tangent line would mean the slope is zero...but what...
  38. M

    Implicit partial differentiation

    Homework Statement Find \partial x / \partial z at the point (1, -1, -3) if the equation xz + y \ln x - x^2 + 4 = 0 defines x as a function of the two independent variables y and z and the partial derivative exists. Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution x + y/x \partial x...
  39. A

    How Do You Isolate dy/dx in Implicit Differentiation?

    implicit differentiation help :) Homework Statement Find dx/dy by implicit differentiation (x2+ y)2+ x2+ xy2= 100Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I'm trying to use the chain rule to solve it... i got The derivative ofb(x2+ y)2+ x2+ xy2= 100, with respect to x, is 2(x2+...
  40. A

    Implicit Differentiation: Solving for dx/dy in an Example Problem

    Let me first say i just learned implicit differentiation (earlier today) and i am also new in general to derivatives. I am finding implicit differentiation difficult but i want to understand it before we go over it in class. Homework Statement This is a example in my book. I have been trying...
  41. P

    Implicit differentiation - Help

    Homework Statement find y' given x3+y2+x+y=2 Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution dy/dx=3x2+2y(y')+1+y' I know that's wrong because my 89 gives it as y'=(-3x2+1)/(2y+1), I don't know how to get there though and what happened to the =2. Thanks
  42. S

    Superior implicit differentiation, prove answer.

    Homework Statement 2XY = Y^2 prove that y''2 = \frac{y^{2}-2xy}{(y-x)^3} EDIT: Sorry, don't know how to insert a space in Latex. Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution 2y+2x \frac{dy}{dx} = 2y \frac{dy}{dx} \frac{dy}{dx}(2y-2x) = 2y \frac{dy}{dx}= \frac{y}{y-x}...
  43. W

    Mathematica Difficult implicit function in mathematica.

    Hi everybody. I have an impicit function that I want to solve numerically in mathematica it looks like: f[x] == b1 \!\( \*SubsuperscriptBox[\(\[Integral]\), \(0\), \(L\)]\(c[ x, \[Alpha]] f[\[Alpha]] SuperscriptBox[\(E\), \(-\( \*SubsuperscriptBox[\(\[Integral]\), \(0\)...
  44. J

    Implicit Differentiation Shortcut

    Homework Statement differentiate: yx = y / sqrt(x2 + y2) Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I solved this problem by taking the ln of both sides and then solving. It seems from the context of the problem set that this was supposed to be easier than that. Am I...
  45. D

    Find Parameter Set for N Intersections of 2 Implicit Functions

    Sorry for the wordiness of the thread title. Basically I'm wondering, if you have two implicit functions, F(x,y)=0 and G(x,y)=0 (typically rational functions with numerator and denominator very high degree polynomials), both dependent upon the same K (in my case > 34) dimensional set of...
  46. A

    How to identify whether a function is implicit or explicit?

    how to identify whether a function is implicit or explicit? advanced thanks.
  47. marcus

    Percacci Calmet Hossenfelder find min length implicit in AsymSafe gravity

    At first sight this seems like a beautiful paper. Or at least a refreshing one (like opening a window on a good day.) MTd2 spotted it for us. http://arxiv.org/abs/1008.3345 Deformed Special Relativity from Asymptotically Safe Gravity Xavier Calmet, Sabine Hossenfelder, Roberto Percacci...
  48. L

    Implicit differentiation, whats going wrong?

    Implicit differentiation, what's going wrong!? Hey people can someone point out to me please where I'm going wrong with part B of this question, can't get it to look the answer in the book, d2y/dx2 = -3(x^6/y^7)- 3(x^2/y^3). My answer is listed below under part B section, but i can't...
  49. P

    Implicit differentiation - Help

    Homework Statement Find d2y/dx2 for cos y + x2 =12 The first derivative I think is correct but the second I am unsure of, this is Q5 of 10 in an assignment and every other question has been far cleaner and easier making me think that I've missed something. We don't have to use implicit...
  50. B

    Implicit Differentiation; Tangent Line

    Homework Statement Find the equation of a tangent line at the curve at point (-3√3, 1) x^(1/3) + y^(1/3) = 4Homework Equations Point-slope: y-1=m(x-1) The Attempt at a Solution I took the derivative of that equation and resulted in -y^(2/3)/x^(2/3) When I tried plugging in x and y to...
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