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Entering Physics Graduate School Without a Physics Degree

June 2, 2015/3 Comments/in Education Guides/by ZapperZ
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Full Chapter List - So You Want To Be A Physicist... Series

  • Part I: Early Physics Education in High Schools
  • Part II: Surviving the First Year of College
  • Part III: Mathematical Preparations
  • Part IV: The Life of a Physics Major
  • Part V: Applying for Graduate School
  • Part VI: What to Expect from Graduate School Before You Get There
  • Part VII: The US Graduate School System
  • Part VIII: Alternative Careers for a Physics Grad
  • Part VIIIa: Entering Physics Graduate School From Another Major
  • Part IX: First Years of Graduate School — From Being a TA to the Graduate Exams
  • Part X: Choosing a Research Area and an Advisor
  • Part XI: Initiating Research Work
  • Part XII: Research Work and the Lab Book
  • Part XIII: Publishing in a Physics Journal
  • Part XIV: Oral Presentations
  • Part XIII: Publishing in a Physics Journal (Addendum)
  • Part XIV: Oral Presentations – Addendum
  • Part XV – Writing Your Doctoral Thesis/Dissertation
  • Part XVI – Your Thesis Defense
  • Part XVII – Getting a Job!
  • Part XVIII – Postdoctoral Position
  • Part XIX – Your Curriculum Vitae

Table of Contents

  • Can you enter physics graduate school without a physics degree?
  • How to evaluate your preparation — two concrete self-tests
    • Self-test 1: GRE Physics Subject test (practice)
    • Self-test 2: Read the school’s qualifying exams
  • Admission vs. survival
  • If you are underprepared — next steps
    • More Related Articles

Can you enter physics graduate school without a physics degree?

I decided to write about this because it is a very common question on many physics forums: can someone without a physics degree be accepted into and succeed in a physics Ph.D. program?

The short answer is: it depends. Two main factors matter: (i) your undergraduate major and (ii) the physics and mathematics courses you completed. Students with majors such as electrical engineering, engineering mechanics, mathematics, or applied mathematics typically have an easier path because many course requirements overlap with physics. Students from non-technical majors (for example, economics or music) face a steeper climb.

How to evaluate your preparation — two concrete self-tests

There are two concrete self-evaluations you can perform to determine how well-prepared you are for a physics graduate program.

Self-test 1: GRE Physics Subject test (practice)

Get a copy of a GRE Physics Subject practice test and try it yourself. If you do not score 75% or better on a timed practice (or, for a looser self-evaluation, cannot demonstrate roughly that level of mastery using textbooks and unlimited time), you likely lack the preparation typically expected of incoming physics graduate students.

The GRE subject test covers a wide variety of undergraduate physics topics. Using extra time and referring to textbooks during this self-test is acceptable for diagnosis — it lets you check whether you know where to look for answers and how to work through unfamiliar problems. Knowing how to find relevant resources is an important indicator that you are not completely unprepared.

Self-test 2: Read the school’s qualifying exams

If you already have a target school, obtain copies of that school’s previous qualifying exams (see Part IX of this series for more on qualifying exams). You don’t need to fully solve every problem. Read each question and ask yourself: do I understand what is being asked, and can I outline an approach to solve it? If multiple questions leave you unsure where to start or what tools to use, you likely lack the specific preparation that school expects.

Qualifying exams are typically more advanced and longer than the GRE subject test, and they are not multiple choice. The important diagnostic is whether you can identify the physical principles and mathematical techniques that would be used to solve each problem, even if actually carrying out the solution is difficult.

Admission vs. survival

Getting accepted to a program is not the same as succeeding in it. Admission can be easier to obtain if you pay your own tuition, or if your undergraduate major overlaps substantially with physics. For example, with an engineering, computer science, or mathematics degree and a GPA of 3.0 or better, you can often find programs willing to accept you.

The crucial question is whether you can survive the curriculum and the qualifying exams and ultimately complete a Ph.D. If you are underprepared, you risk failing qualifying exams or falling behind in coursework, which could waste time and money.

If you are underprepared — next steps

If your self-tests show gaps, consider taking one to two years of advanced undergraduate or bridging courses before applying (many schools will permit or even recommend this). Engineering and math majors often need fewer additional courses to reach readiness. Students from non-technical backgrounds should carefully evaluate how large a gap they are willing to close to reach their goal.

Use the two self-tests (the GRE practice and the school’s qualifying exams) as an honest, concrete measure of your readiness to begin graduate study in physics.

ZapperZ

PhD Physics

Accelerator physics, photocathodes, field-enhancement. tunneling spectroscopy, superconductivity

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3 replies
  1. wormbread says:
    March 1, 2018 at 3:26 pm

    "If you come from a non-science, non-technical background, you may want to consider how far up a hole you’re willing to climb to achieve your goal."

    Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/entering-physics-graduate-school-from-another-major/

    Yes! I graduated in 2014, as a non-trad, with an English degree. Since then, I've been setting my sights on obtaining a physics degree and becoming a physicist. However, the highest level of math I had under my belt was Pre-cal which I took as an elective for my English degree; my only science was an intro to chem course. So, I decided to see just how practical it would be to accomplish should I embark on such an adventure.

    Firstly, I didn't know where to start, but after a few google searches, I found PF. Utilizing the free textbooks and homework sections, as well as Insights articles and the various posts of encouragement and discussions throughout the forum, I started with Calculus. Self-teaching calculus is difficult enough and doing it while working multiple jobs is even harder, so I applied for and landed an entry-level job at the state university to take advantage of a tuition reimbursement benefit they allowed for staff. I enrolled in Calc. I in the spring of 2017 and ended up with an A. From there I've taken some online physics and engineering courses while maintaining a self-study habit.

    I still have a long way to go, but, at 33 years old, I've been accepted for 2nd Bachelor's in Physics for Fall 2018.

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  2. GreenLRan says:
    May 19, 2016 at 4:10 pm

    Great essay. I have a BS in aerospace engineering (minored in physics), and a MS in astronautical engineering. I’ve been studying for the physics GRE and plan to take it this winter. My question is: What (dis)advantage would I have in applying to a big physics school (MIT, CalTech, Stanford, Princeton, etc.) to pursue my PhD soley in terms of acceptance? In general, would the selection committee see my background and want to accept me, just to bring in diversity, or would they shun me since I don’t not have a Physics BS?

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  3. Greg Bernhardt says:
    June 3, 2015 at 3:10 am

    Another classic from @zapperz!

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