i was going to post this in the thread that got axed, but apparently people in this forum cannot discuss issues like adults.

nevertheless, this particular datum is important, and wherever you stand on the issue (except perhaps apathy), you might want to at least read it because of the sort of consequences it implies (and explicits). not trying to start an argument or anything, just information, but if you want to curse me or whatever, send a PM.

[url]http://mondoweiss.net/2011/09/jordan-and-saudi-arabia-sound-warnings-on-blocking-palestinian-statehood.html[/url]...

this is part of an attempt to educate myself on what the actual issues are wrt the wars in the middle east.

[YOUTUBE]3KXlolhIyjs[/YOUTUBE]

the above presentation is given by John Foster.
[QUOTE]About the author
John Foster is an international energy economist and an expert on the world oil scene. Born in London, England, he graduated from Cambridge University in economics and law. He served in the Royal Navy and went to Suez (1956). He has 40 years of...

i feel like this should be required viewing for anyone entering the politics forum. Chomsky is just absolutely brilliant. whether you like his politics or not, i don't think you'll ever be able to view the media the same again.

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent:_Noam_Chomsky_and_the_Media"]Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media[/URL]

i chose the hulu link because i think it has the best video quality. there are a few ads....